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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1680 on: September 04, 2020, 09:17:58 am »

Well, I lurk in those politics threads too much so I should at least mark one of them a bit, and I chose this one because it's the one most relevant to me.

So, nothing new I can think of Israel recently, still the slow decent into authoritarianism, still the same ruling party, still the threat for election in every moment, nothing new.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1681 on: September 06, 2020, 03:20:54 am »

Australia is still reeling from second wave COVID, waiting to see how things land when the dust settles. Relations are worsening with China, and politicians are strategically maneuvering closer to the USA policies, preparing for more of the same. I'd like to think most aussies are taking this all with a pragmatic approach, and despite the fussing of the vocal minority, we're set on seeing ourselves out the other side of this horrible year with some remainder of sanity.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1683 on: September 13, 2020, 03:56:12 pm »

Anyone interested in talking about all these Israeli peace deals?
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« Reply #1684 on: September 13, 2020, 04:41:56 pm »

I'm just too cynical. It's one of Trump's various scattergun Moonshots he's generating to purely to sell himself as Saviour Of Mankindô, and then probably will turn out to be almost entirely filmed in a studio with special effects.

It'll probably turn out to be driven by pure Trumpian Quid-Pro-Quos (slightly less stable than it appears a Northern Ireland Peace Agreement might be), neither outcome of November guarantees it'll change the region for the better. Could even rebound badly. Any hopes melting away just like the fears of those 'caravans' did once there was no reason for them.

Not wanting to make this an Ameripol post, but someone hoping to claim credit for sorting it should also own the situation in all other situatons.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1685 on: September 14, 2020, 01:00:02 am »

Nah, I think it is all about the sale of F-35's (beyond the obvious legitimisation of Israeli).  I'm not going to get into this too deeply but here's a commentary to throw into the mix:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/israel-uae-peace-tested-by-f-35-uproar/
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« Reply #1686 on: September 14, 2020, 02:05:29 am »

The relation between Israel and the nation of the peninsula was improving in the last several years, at least that what the news here said, my assumption is that it's part of Saudi Arabia and Iran conflict, so it's really not that surprising.
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« Reply #1687 on: September 14, 2020, 04:05:11 am »

Those two things (though I hadn't heard too much about either) fit into my cynicism very neatly.

Relations already are normalising to some degree, and perhaps the Israeli PM (knowingly or unknowingly, at the time[1]) got hitched to the idea of dropping his country's objections to the plane sales in return for the whole grandstanding US Embassy thing, or somesuch, but of course he can't speak for his entire country[2], and if the timing of this "good news bomb"'s deployment is at all rushed forward to play a major part in US politics/party-propaganda, it's at the risk of encountering blowback from the as yet unprepared local groundswell of opinion, and ruining what could have been a subtle shimmy into the clear air of mutual understanding if it had been left to develop without that one outside pressure.

(Or it could have failed after some other later thing, such as a 'clearly-sponsored' terrorist/military strike within the region. But it won't make this other thing less likely if there's an even bigger 'normalisation' for such an act to try to disrupt. Which is why even if a second-term Trump actually continues to 'press for peace'[3], I could see the whole lauded peace-process going far more badly than it is might be assumed to go well.)


Not that I'd prefer that, I just wouldn't be surprised. And what actually happens might be as unexpected to everyone as (say) a pandemic. Obvious in hindsight, but not what most people would have predicted[4].

[1] Like whoever it was got put on a 'sude table' in the Oval Office, the other day, to sign some important agreement with the US for his country, to apparently be surprised that this included an Israeli Embassy move of their own. Not seen much of that beyond the initial reports (positive and negative), it so quickly became buried in other effluvia, so probably I missed more clarifications that were necessary.

[2] Just the other day, he lost an ?orthodox? minister over instituting coronavirus lockdown measures, as it would impact imminent religious-holiday obligations for that significant part of the country for which they are (non-figuratively) sacrosanct.

[3] And not just just drop it, like the whole Caravan thing, once he doesn't need its existence in his narrative for his immediate personal advantage.

[4]  And those that did were only considering it a possibility (among many other eventualities that could also have been "the" unexpected thing, and were considered possible by others who still await being acknowledged as fully-fledged Cassandras.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1688 on: September 14, 2020, 02:44:29 pm »

Meanwhile in Belarus, Putin has sent paratroopers 'on excercise' to the country, helped out Loekasjenko with a 1.3 billion euro loan and warned the West not to interfere in Belarus.
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« Reply #1689 on: September 16, 2020, 04:42:35 am »

Meanwhile in Belarus, Putin has sent paratroopers 'on excercise' to the country, helped out Loekasjenko with a 1.3 billion euro loan and warned the West not to interfere in Belarus.
Belarusian protests are the most pacifist protests I have ever seen (barring first few days) so those paratroopers won't be necessary.


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« Reply #1690 on: September 16, 2020, 08:19:20 am »

If they aren't pacifist (and maybe if they are), it sounds like they'd be due to be pacified. More than before, that is.

I imagine there's a great groundswell desire for a "{colour, or soft cloth} revolution" of some sort, but I don't hold out hope it'd be easy and I don't think there's unabridged hope on the ground. Even firebrands for the cause are going to be wary, and dare TPTB start to use agents provocateur extensively, or do they think it's so much against them that this might that just catalyse the whole process?

Lessons will have been learnt with various southern mediteranean states, various middle-east spots (esp. Syria), Ukraine (Crimea and Maotidea, differently), and other 'internal' stuff to the region. Both buttons they can press and buttons they shouldn't. For all sides, their own buttons. Perhaps some buttons are considered "Do not press" (yet) by everyone.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1691 on: September 23, 2020, 11:11:13 am »

Meanwhile, the annexation of Belarus by Russia continues.
Loekasjenko had himself sworn in for his 6th term as president in a secret meeting, which is against the Belarus constitution (in more than one way).
This means that he is no longer serving his 5th term as president, but entered his 6th term, which is illegal under Belarus constitution.  As a result, most EU countries no longer recognize him as head of state.

The president of the Belarus parliament's foreign committee has announced that good relations with the West are no longer important.
New ' top priority' is economic and military integration with Russia, in preparation of forming a union state.
The integration is moving at top speed:  the countries are holding a joint military excercise under the name ' Slavic Brotherhood',  and already announced a joint tax system this week.
Meanwhile, protestors still dared to go out into the streets today.  Authorities intervened again, and amongst many others, arrested the chief editor of Nasja Niva, one of the last remaining independent media of Belarus.

Past friday, the UN Human Rights Committee voted in favour of increased investigation of arrests and torture by Loekasjenko's regime.
According to the committee's chairman, at least 10000 people have been unlawfully arrested. At least 6 protestors have been killed.
So far, the committee has recieved 500 reports of torture.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2020, 11:14:53 am by martinuzz »
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« Reply #1692 on: September 27, 2020, 04:33:46 am »

Armenia anf Azerbaijan seem to have had a shooting war over a disputed area, with military and civilian casualties on both sides. Details still sketchy and "he said, she said", right now. Might even be "business as usual", as I don't follow that area much, but if tanks and a helicopter are destroyed, as reported, it's not 'a minor skirmish between opposing border guards'.
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« Reply #1693 on: September 27, 2020, 07:57:49 pm »

Armenia anf Azerbaijan
It's horrible how Asians keep invading the Europe thread.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1694 on: September 28, 2020, 12:16:55 am »

Nah, they're the border to Asia, both European and Asian. The Caucasian border is more like a fog than a line.

The real horror is this thread not merging back with the other thread even though it's purpose no longer needs to be served
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