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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1725 on: January 26, 2021, 06:37:24 am »

Most of the ways you can die while diving are extremely painful as I understand them. Asphyxiation, complications from the bends, injuries sustained as a result of being dashed against rocks or coral by the tide. Not pleasant ways to go.
The many ways don't matter, what matters is the most common. I had to do some looking up on this because my initial assumption that drowning or asphyxiation would be the most common cause of open water diving fatalities wasn't entirely right; you can split them into two categories. Deaths below the surface, and deaths at surface. Of those you see a predictable spread between deaths by drowning, asphyxiation and a handful of sudden unconsciousness, whilst surface has the spread of bends or gas embolism related fatalities. Unless you get a gas embolism cutting blood flow from the brain, it's going to hurt like hell before you die. Of the underwater ones, you're not going to be conscious long enough to feel much of anything. Then there are the minority but still statistically significant causes of death like entanglement or penetration divers getting stuck under ice, caves or in wrecks, which would be a pretty foul way to go out, as you'd be conscious and exhausted for a fairly long time.

Given that they recovered his body and most drowning or asphyxiation deaths happen to lone divers, Robert Rowland probably wasn't doing a lone dive. Which means then that he probably died from the bends, gas embolism or getting hit by a boat. So it seems I was probably, and unfortunately wrong about the likelihood of his ease of passing.

Yeah, from what I've understood from reanimated drowning victims, inhaling water is one of the most excruciatingly painful things imaginable.
I've nearly drowned before, and the actual drowning itself was painless. It was only after I was dragged out of the water that I experienced any pain. I have heard from other people similar experiences, but also heard from people who also nearly drowned that it was incredibly painful. I don't really know for sure why people have such wildly different experiences with drowning but I have my suspicions it may be down to whether the person involved was suffering shock/panic or not, as my anecdotal experience & gossip shows those who reported painless near-death drowning were fairly relaxed and did not struggle or fall into freezing cold water

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1727 on: January 26, 2021, 06:55:20 am »

I dont know...  One of the ways one could go sounds very unpleasant.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1728 on: January 26, 2021, 06:57:58 am »

Well, that redefines ' shell-shocked'
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1729 on: January 31, 2021, 12:24:11 pm »

In Mosocw, massive protests are taking place, demanding the release of Navalny. Various other cities see protests too.

Today alone, over 4000 people were arrested.

Earlier attempts by the Russian government to prevent protest using brute force backfired. More and more Russians are joining the protest.  Protestors play cat and mouse with the police, who is unable to take control.
While zig-zagging through the streets to avoid the police, protestors are cheered and applauded from the homes they pass, car horns honk in support.

In response, Putin has ordered Moscow locked down. Train, bus and subways are shut down, and the access roads to the prison that holds Navalny are blocked off by barricades of arrest vans.

According to the Russia reporter of the Volkskrant, who lives in Moscow, he hasn't seen protests as massive as this before.
The couple of hundred arrests he personally withnessed were ' reasonably gentle'. "The police mostly restrain themselves and use only their wooden batons. They do keep hitting people who are already down, but well, that's Russia".

There are worse reports from Vladivostok, where there's rumour of arrestants being tortured in the police station.
From the Kazan area, a video was released of arrestants lying on the floor in the ice-cold snow, with their hands on the back of their head and their face in the snow. "Those are images that we are used to from Belarus, this normally doesn't happen in Russia"

St.Petersburg reports heavy violence.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/dat-poetin-met-rusland-een-gemanagede-democratie-heeft-opgezet-is-na-vandaag-niet-meer-vol-te-houden~b41d1289/
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1730 on: January 31, 2021, 03:21:42 pm »

I chuckled when one of the news reports on the TV earlier mentioned that the US cautioned Russia about "using excessive violence on the protestors"
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« Reply #1731 on: January 31, 2021, 03:35:30 pm »

I chuckled when one of the news reports on the TV earlier mentioned that the US cautioned Russia about "using excessive violence on the protestors"
Oh, another one of the "hey, police uses violence in the USA, too" crowd.

Riot police use violence everywhere. It is a part of their job. Often it is necessary. Sometimes it is excessive either because of poor training or because such line of work attracts... certain types of men.

It doesn't mean that denying the very basic human right of a peaceful assembly by unlawful arrests and beatings is somehow OK.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1732 on: January 31, 2021, 04:48:07 pm »

Meanwhile, Putin is accusing the US of orchestrating the protests.

Human rights organisations say Putin has never before ordered such violent beatdown of protests.
Reports everywhere from unconscious protestors in police vans, already subdued helpless arrestants getting electroshocked, torture in police stations.

In 142 cities people took to the streets in protest.

More people were arrested in a single day today than has ever happened since Putin's rise to power in 1999
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« Reply #1733 on: January 31, 2021, 05:09:33 pm »

Meanwhile, Putin is accusing the US of orchestrating the protests.

Human rights organisations say Putin has never before ordered such violent beatdown of protests.
Reports everywhere from unconscious protestors in police vans, already subdued helpless arrestants getting electroshocked, torture in police stations.

In 142 cities people took to the streets in protest.

More people were arrested in a single day today than has ever happened since Putin's rise to power in 1999

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1353374319548768258
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1734 on: February 01, 2021, 08:53:01 am »

UK applies to join the trans-pacific trade bloc

60 years from now: UK holds referendum to leave pacific union

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1735 on: February 01, 2021, 09:33:43 am »

I chuckled when one of the news reports on the TV earlier mentioned that the US cautioned Russia about "using excessive violence on the protestors"
Oh, another one of the "hey, police uses violence in the USA, too" crowd.

Riot police use violence everywhere. It is a part of their job. Often it is necessary. Sometimes it is excessive either because of poor training or because such line of work attracts... certain types of men.

It doesn't mean that denying the very basic human right of a peaceful assembly by unlawful arrests and beatings is somehow OK.

Who said anything about it being ok?
I was amused by the bare-faced hypocrisy of the USA having almost a year of violently cracking down on peaceful protests (against police violence and racism no less) before turning around and wagging their finger at Russia after less than a week of doing the same (hell maybe not even the same, we still don't have all the info on what actually went down and if there was anything even remotely approaching the amount of scummy and shady shit the US police have pulled over the months)-
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1736 on: February 01, 2021, 09:36:43 am »

At the very least, Russian police doesn't shoot black people.  This might just be because there are no black people in Russia though (recent estimates: there are about 50000 black people in Russia, on a total population of 144 million).
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« Reply #1737 on: February 02, 2021, 02:21:50 pm »

Russian opposition leader and main Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny was sentenced Tuesday to 2 years and 8 months in prison after a Moscow court turned his suspended sentence in a 2014 criminal case into a full custodial term.

The court decision came days after more than 5,000 people were detained across Russia in rallies in Navalny’s support.

The politician was laughing in his glass box as the verdict was being read out, gesturing toward his allies and wife, Yulia, in the courtroom. He had earlier denounced court proceedings as politically motivated and demanded that he be freed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/alexei-navalny-leading-putin-critic-faces-trial-100-supporters-arrested-n1256440
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1738 on: February 02, 2021, 02:31:06 pm »

Apparently recovering from Geneva banned nerve toxin is hospital is no excuse for missing a date with your parole officer.

More protests are expected.
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« Reply #1739 on: February 02, 2021, 02:46:48 pm »

Apparently recovering from Geneva banned nerve toxin is hospital is no excuse for missing a date with your parole officer.

More protests are expected.
Navalny's team is calling to gather at one of Moscow's squares right now, (https://twitter.com/teamnavalny_mos/status/1356655979669172226

I think it is very unwise, all that they can achieve by this is getting their most active supporters arrested. Only the most active will go out at night when it is -12 C outside. Russia still has real winters.
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