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Book thief?
« on: December 03, 2015, 02:11:20 pm »

A human scholar came to my fortress to learn. He sat in the library for some time pondering various topics, reading the one and only one-paged book I had and generally chilling. Then, he took the book (hauled it), went to the border of the map and took of with the work. Just like that.
Considering that the book was written previously by some other scholar, is this normal, purposefully implemented behavior?
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 02:15:37 pm »

A human scholar came to my fortress to learn. He sat in the library for some time pondering various topics, reading the one and only one-paged book I had and generally chilling. Then, he took the book (hauled it), went to the border of the map and took of with the work. Just like that.
Considering that the book was written previously by some other scholar, is this normal, purposefully implemented behavior?

There's a bit of a running discussion on this over here too. Might be worth putting a ticket on Mantis for, unless Toady says it's intended behaviour. Maybe scholars will submit books too? Hard to tell.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 02:21:09 pm »

I suspect it was intentional. It was a very real concern in ancient libraries. (Another issue they had was some king or other notable figure wanting to borrow a scroll so that they can copy it -- but then they would 'return' the much-less-valuable copy to the library and keep the original).

I like the idea of a mechanic where you keep your originals behind locked doors and only let the rif-raf see the copies.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 02:28:08 pm »

A human scholar came to my fortress to learn. He sat in the library for some time pondering various topics, reading the one and only one-paged book I had and generally chilling. Then, he took the book (hauled it), went to the border of the map and took of with the work. Just like that.
Considering that the book was written previously by some other scholar, is this normal, purposefully implemented behavior?

They will take the book bring it to their home or another library and study it and use it to write new books ( they do the sane in world gen) lots of world gen things happen in play now
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 02:33:21 pm »

Seems intentional

They may be trying to take it for whatever reason they have, selling it, claiming ownership of it, etc.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 02:42:53 pm »

If he comes back, politely show him our torture treatment of elves, then kindly ask for the book back. If he refuses, consider him an elf
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 02:56:17 pm »

Oh, he'll burn; preferably in magma.
It's kind of disturbing imo, that the books are so... available.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 02:58:23 pm »

Oh, he'll burn; preferably in magma.
It's kind of disturbing imo, that the books are so... available.
Bah. Dwarves dont need education! There is more knowledge in a hunk of Lignite than all of Shakeshpear *takes tankard swig*
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 03:01:21 pm »

I believe a comment about monkeys and typewriters is fitting here.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 05:22:19 pm »

Wouldnt it be cool if in a strange mood dwarves could randomly invent like more modern things? Like a typewriter, or a musket, but noone would know what they are for so theyd just be junk.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 05:44:18 pm »

Wouldnt it be cool if in a strange mood dwarves could randomly invent like more modern things? Like a typewriter, or a musket, but noone would know what they are for so theyd just be junk.
That might actually be possible, assuming that civs don't simply generate items ex nihilo. Simply mod the anachronistic items in, and make them require slade, or some such thing. Since strange moods ignore material-restrictions, they'll be the only way to get them.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 06:08:28 pm »

I like the idea of a mechanic where you keep your originals behind locked doors and only let the rif-raf see the copies.

That should be doable! In the settings for libraries/taverns/temples you have the option of specifying who can access it (i.e., residents, visitors, everyone). Maybe make two libraries, one for resident scholars and one for dirty foreign thieves.

I'm not sure how you'd eventually get copies over to your public library, but maybe selective bookcase shortages (or deconstructions) would help.
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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 06:31:22 pm »

Wouldnt it be cool if in a strange mood dwarves could randomly invent like more modern things? Like a typewriter, or a musket, but noone would know what they are for so theyd just be junk.
That might actually be possible, assuming that civs don't simply generate items ex nihilo. Simply mod the anachronistic items in, and make them require slade, or some such thing. Since strange moods ignore material-restrictions, they'll be the only way to get them.

Even simpler, create the raws for the item and don't give it to any civ.  Strange moods pick items from the raws at random.  Modders have been using this to make artifact only superweapons for ages.

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Re: Book thief?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 06:32:11 pm »

Wouldnt it be cool if in a strange mood dwarves could randomly invent like more modern things? Like a typewriter, or a musket, but noone would know what they are for so theyd just be junk.
That might actually be possible, assuming that civs don't simply generate items ex nihilo. Simply mod the anachronistic items in, and make them require slade, or some such thing. Since strange moods ignore material-restrictions, they'll be the only way to get them.

Even simpler, create the raws for the item and don't give it to any civ.  Strange moods pick items from the raws at random.  Modders have been using this to make artifact only superweapons for ages.

Cool! Thanks!
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