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[TempAcc]

Actualy, while I've seen threads locked and posts deleted due to discussions on politics, I don't really remember any case of discussions on religion ever reaching that point. Some people are just scared of putting it on the table for whatever reason, while discussions on politics blow up threads every now and then.

So ye, unless anyone can point me to specific events in which discussions on religion exploded, I don't see any reason to be afraid of the topic, even when it smacks into the polthreads, which is relevant, in this specific case.

[Lord_lemonpie]

If Martinuzzz (or Toady, though I can't imagine why he would bother assuming no one ignores the thread OP) says take it to another thread, sure, but I'd say it's not really the place of others to start telling people to do so. YMMV though - it's just that most forums I've been on are understandably wary of backseat moderation.

For my part, given the current 'hot-button issues' in the EU, the discussion seems relevant. But regardless, it's the OP's call.

Seconding this, I think Islam and religion are an important aspect of modern day European politics, and should thus be discussed within the politics thread. Geert didn't get 20 seats for nothing.

However, others are also right in saying that x is barbaric or not should not happen here.

Let's make a dutch-style compromise and allow the discussion of religions in political context, not theological/ideological.

[Loud Whispers]

Nah everything will be ok as long as we have bread

[TempAcc]

Let loose the loaves of war.

[Bralbaard]

Didnt social democrats and the other government party together still lose like half of their seats?

I mean, the "anti-populist victory" here is that Wilders' didnt win as much as was feared, ainnit?

Indeed. It's not quite the result I was hoping for, but with the current PM losing a bunch of seats and Wilders gaining five to edge into second place (just beating CDA and D66 according to the last result I saw), it's not terrible either. I'm surprised that Sheb would term the largest opposition party 'in the wilderness', but hey, whatever works for you.

Wilders had much higher support in the past actually, in the previous election he lost a lot of votes, and with his current "victory" he does not even come close to reaching his old levels.

2010: 24 seats
2012: 15 seats
2017: 20 seats

Note that in 2010 Wilders was given actual role in goverment, he was part of a coalition with CDA and VVD in some kind of shady construct where the PVV did not have to carry full responsibilities.
Wilders made a mess of it, and actually chose to make the coalition collapse early leading to the elections of 2012.

He was rightfully punished by the electorate at that time, but alas, people have short memories.
The votes in the current election are divided over a lot of parties, while the PVV might turn out to be the second party in size, he now represents only 13% of the population. That does not translate into the great patriotic spring that we have been hearing so much about.

The main reason the other parties do not want to work with Wilders now is not a "cordonne sanitaire" but the fact that both experiments we had in the Netherlands in working with populists in our goverment have miserably failed due to their incompetence.
 

[Sheb]

Wasn't there a reduction in the number of MP or something?

[Bralbaard]

No, his 2010 result represented 15,5% of the national vote.

[TD1]

https://www.facebook.com/william.frazer.58/videos/1485651734787246/

Apologies for the facebook source. A bit rough, but essentially correct. I didn't wish Martin dead in so far as I don't wish anyone dead, but I'll certainly not weep for him either.

[smjjames]

I have no idea who this 'Machine Gun Marty' is. Also sounds like the nickname of some gangster in the 1920s and 1930s.

[TD1]

Martin McGuinness. IRA terrorist leader cum Sinn Fein politician. Known to have personally performed and ordered murders, when the IRA was through he took to the ballot box where the media lapped up his "new leaf" spiel, presumably as a tactic to give Republicans a figure to follow towards peace.

Well, at least someone isn't worried about being politically correct: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4335196/Good-riddance-McGuinness-writes-Katie-Hopkins.html

[Helgoland]

Daily Mail as a source. Oh my. I guess that means he was one of the good guys after all.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Daily Mail as a source. Oh my. I guess that means he was one of the good guys after all.

He was a terrorist and a child murderer. Whether you think his later efforts toward peace atone for that or not, it's not really something to be flippant about.

Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card. The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when doctors switched his life support machine off, having asked permission to do so from his family, after tests had found minimal brain activity.[6] Fifty-four other people were injured, four of them seriously.

oh so hes just like obama then he kills children with remote operated toys. lol anti-santa hehe

[Helgoland]

Hm, I wonder whether you guys feel quite as strongly about the jolly soldiers of the 1 Para. You know, the guys who massacred a bunch of unarmed civilians. Including a bunch of kids, in case that's important to you.

[hector13]

Legitimate military action, I imagine will be the call.

[Wolfhunter107]

Hm, I wonder whether you guys feel quite as strongly about the jolly soldiers of the 1 Para. You know, the guys who massacred a bunch of unarmed civilians. Including a bunch of kids, in case that's important to you.

That's whataboutism,  Helgo. We were talking about Martin McGuinness, not the Paras, if you hadn't noticed.