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[Sheb]

Oh, yay, white Genocide.

[Baffler]

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Bruh.

I don't like how the refugees are being handled either, but claiming the point of it is to displace white Europeans is chemtrail tier tinfoil haberdashery. And people have been banned more than once for things like your second paragraph.

[SaberToothTiger]

You know, let me quote you on some of the parts there.

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Fuuuuck, Godwin is almost upon me, man.

[Loud Whispers]

You do realize that Germany has seen a string of arson attacks on these facilities, right? And you do realize that recently folks gathered in front of such a burning facility and started fucking applauding?
The word Pogromstimmung comes to mind. And if you can't figure out how to translate that properly, think about why we have such a word and English doesn't.

Pogromstimmung translates to pogrom in English

English is a language slut

Portugal wants more refugees to help revive dwindling population[/ur]

Costa recently told Brussels that Portugal should “set an example”, adding that he was against “a Europe that closes its borders to block access to refugees”.
His comments echo those he made during a visit to Berlin earlier this month, when he said that it was “unfair” to burden Berlin with a duty which is for “all European leaders”.
But refugees haven’t exactly been knocking on Portugal’s door, with most opting to go to northern European countries such as Sweden and Denmark — which have begun tightening their borders in an effort to stem the flow of migrants.
Portugal has taken just 32 migrants, and the country’s ambassador to Greece, Rui Alberto Tereno, even visited a Greek refugee camp recently in an effort to promote the sunny coastal nation to the migrants making their way across Europe.

Why leave the most important bit out?

Portugal’s Socialist premier, Antonio Costa, last week sent letters to Austria, Greece, Italy and Sweden — countries that have seen refugees arrive in large numbers — offering to welcome up to 5,800 more refugees in addition to the 4,500 they already agreed to take as part of the European Union’s refugee quota system.
Costa recently told Brussels that Portugal should “set an example”, adding that he was against “a Europe that closes its borders to block access to refugees”.

Their socialist wants 10,000, not 1.5M yearly, and it's not what Portugal wants, it's what Antonio Costa wants - clearly not to deal with a dwindling population, as it's not enough and it's not people who possess the skillsets to replace the Portuguese taxbase. We've seen this argument before with Germany when the Germans started spreading ebin memes about how they would use migrant fertility to enrich their population who are all dusty and needing pensions to pay. Then they arrived and Germans had to pay for dusty Germans and migrants, instead of solving one problem they made two.

Besides, we all know they are doing this because the EU wants to fuck them

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Portugal’s new Socialist government faces an embarrassing rejection of its first “anti-austerity” budget by the European Commission on Friday after eleventh-hour talks failed to break a stalemate over additional cuts needed to bring Lisbon in line with EU deficit rules.
Portuguese officials expressed confidence they would overcome objections from the commission, which last week warned Lisbon it risked “serious non-compliance” with the bloc’s fiscal rules. At the same time, they continued to show defiance, insisting they would not return to the spending policies of the previous centre-right administration.
“We cannot continue following a path of blind austerity,” Augusto Santos Silva, Portugal’s foreign minister, told RTP television on Wednesday. “We have to be demanding and disciplined [over the budget], but Portugal is not a pupil. There are no professor-states or student-states in the EU.”
The commission announced it would hold a special meeting on Friday afternoon to decide whether Portugal’s 2016 budget — submitted three months late after protracted post-election coalition negotiations — would be rejected. If it is, it would mark the first time a eurozone government has had its spending plan vetoed by Brussels since the new crisis-era rules went into effect in 2011.
Lisbon’s tussle with Brussels calls into question the government’s ability to deliver on election pledges to roll back years of austerity by cutting taxes and increasing public sector wages without running foul of the EU’s strict budgetary rules.

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Costa argues that an expansion in disposable income will boost the economy and help cut the deficit more than austerity does.

Cavaco Silva had requested written assurances from Costa that he and his leftist partners would respect Portugal's commitments to EU budget rules, something that Costa's partners had not pledged to do.

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epa04500382 The new Secretary General of the Socialist Party (PS) Antonio Costa on arrival for the press conference after wins the internal elections, at the headquarters of the PS in Lisbon, Portugal, 22 November 2014. Antonio Costa reached the leadership of PS on the day the former Secretary-General of the Socialist Party, Jose Socrates, was interrogated in the Central Criminal Court (TCIC), within the framework of a process in which they investigate suspected crimes of tax evasion, money laundering and corruption. EPA/MANUEL DE ALMEIDA
António Costa, leader of the centre-left Socialists
Portugal’s opposition Socialist Party has increased pressure for an anti-austerity government backed by the hard left, calling it the only viable solution for resolving the deadlock resulting from an inconclusive general election three weeks ago.
António Costa, its leader, has called on President Aníbal Cavaco Silva to appoint him as prime minister-designate, saying he is in a position to form a government with majority backing in parliament from the radical Left Bloc (BE) and the hardline Communist party (PCP).

Costa is being cheeki breeki
Portugal Defies EU, Europe Facing Revolt - feb23rd
Wants to take the moral highground by taking in refugees whilst the Commission is being racist and anti-worker

I dunno what's so scary about EU, really. Do you expect it to go full Stalin on you and your nations after it takes FULL CONTROL, or what?

Sergarr why hasn't Russia joined the EU there is nothing to fear

[Sheb]

Might make sense. In any case, I don't like that mixing up. Refugees should not be treated as migrants, and migrants should not be treated as refugees.

[scrdest]

I dunno what's so scary about EU, really. Do you expect it to go full Stalin on you and your nations after it takes FULL CONTROL, or what?

Sergarr why hasn't Russia joined the EU there is nothing to fear

Poor pick - if we go by the hyperbole, the worst Russians have to fear is that new Stalin is worse than the current Stalin, and would still probably pale in comparison to the Stalin Stalin.

[Loud Whispers]

I dunno what's so scary about EU, really. Do you expect it to go full Stalin on you and your nations after it takes FULL CONTROL, or what?

Sergarr why hasn't Russia joined the EU there is nothing to fear

Poor pick - if we go by the hyperbole, the worst Russians have to fear is that new Stalin is worse than the current Stalin, and would still probably pale in comparison to the Stalin Stalin.

Exactly you have nothing to fear, why hasn't your country joined yet?

Might make sense. In any case, I don't like that mixing up. Refugees should not be treated as migrants, and migrants should not be treated as refugees.

Yeah but social signalling on twitter is more important dude weed lmao

[ChairmanPoo]

The EU doesn't sound so bad now that it benefits you, does it?

I was going to post a picture of a pineapple, but I'm going to answer seriously or semi-seriously in order to clarify a few misrepresentations

First: I'm not against the EU as a concept. I'm angry because for all that stuff about all being equal in the EU, my perception, and that of many others, is that if you're from Southern Europe, you're not quite as equal (and heavens help you if you're actually from Eastern Europe). Several recent public policy events, as well as certain things I've witnessed, tends to support this view.

And mind you, I'm not even personally targeted by these new policies (in principle. I think. Don't know how far reaching are they though), nor have I born as much xenophobia as others have (probably because I don't look stereotypically southern European... for all practical purposes I'm just a white dude with an unplaceable foreign accent). Still, it is quite annoying to hear people making casual comments in front of you like "OMG so-and-so is such an asshole, he almost seems Spanish!".

Second: "Benefits me" is a relative term.  Free movement of workers is kind of convenient for me in that it makes it easier to access a wider job market, and therefore makes it easier to access certain interesting job openings. It's not a sine qua non condition in order to prosper abroad, however, nor is a sine qua non condition for prospering to go abroad. I'm not in financial dire straits (in fact, that's why I can afford to look for options abroad at all) I'd most likely have work in my field closer to home if I pressed. I'd rather widen my options, however.

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[Sergarr]

I dunno what's so scary about EU, really. Do you expect it to go full Stalin on you and your nations after it takes FULL CONTROL, or what?

Sergarr why hasn't Russia joined the EU there is nothing to fear

Because NATO doesn't want Russia in itself, and since EU and NATO have mostly the same members, notably - the post-Warsaw pact states like Poland, Litva, Latvia, Estonia, etc., well you get the idea. Also, there's the problem of insane EU standards which are physically impossible to meet, even for Germans, so yeah.

also i think EU might be a tad miffled with our recent foreign advancement so there's that

[Loud Whispers]

Because NATO doesn't want Russia in itself, and since EU and NATO have mostly the same members, notably - the post-Warsaw pact states like Poland, Litva, Latvia, Estonia, etc., well you get the idea. Also, there's the problem of insane EU standards which are physically impossible to meet, even for Germans, so yeah.

also i think EU might be a tad miffled with our recent foreign advancement so there's that

No no, it's ok the EU will represent you and will protect you from the USA just as it protected France and Germany from America's domination, and fuck the standards we're letting in everyone from Lisbon to Ankara, Moscow is being left out as the only European nation not being enriched by the EU, and just look at what you've done you've banned gays from your tele (not to mention Russia in the EU = no more energy issues)

Basically Sergarr you should be in the EU yesterday, why haven't you joined? Top bigotry from prime shitlord patriarch of constantinople Vladimir the Implyer Putinople

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They're doing halal bacon wrong
I must revolutionize halal bacon (or get disinterested trying)
It will save Europe

[Helgoland]

First: I'm not against the EU as a concept. I'm angry because for all that stuff about all being equal in the EU, my perception, and that of many others, is that if you're from Southern Europe, you're not quite as equal (and heavens help you if you're actually from Eastern Europe). Several recent public policy events, as well as certain things I've witnessed, tends to support this view.

And mind you, I'm not even personally targeted by these new policies (in principle. I think. Don't know how far reaching are they though), nor have I born as much xenophobia as others have (probably because I don't look stereotypically southern European... for all practical purposes I'm just a white dude with an unplaceable foreign accent). Still, it is quite annoying to hear people making casual comments in front of you like "OMG so-and-so is such an asshole, he almost seems Spanish!".

So folks being racist is somehow a fault of the EU? Man, that's the first time I hear someone blame the EU for not brainwashing people...

Several recent public policy events, as well as certain things I've witnessed, tends to support this view.

Pray tell, what policy events? Northern EU states taking in a fuckton of refugees even though by law they could simply force the Southern EU countries to take them back? My oh my, what a horrible state of things. You know, we should probably just burn the whole thing down like you suggested recently - that's gonna help with the various countries' egoism for sure. Definitely.

And don't bring the Greece situation into this. Nobody forced Greece to take up loans, inflate its bureaucracy, destroy its capacity to collect taxes, etc etc. From here it looks like we poured a shit-ton of money into Greece out of solidarity and get called Nazis in return. Up here many folks consider the EU an instrument of the South and East to siphon money away from Germany and other Northern states - have you ever considered that they may be just as right as you are?

[Loud Whispers]

So folks being racist is somehow a fault of the EU? Man, that's the first time I hear someone blame the EU for not brainwashing people...

The two are not exclusive: See people who believe they are anti-racists yet are more racist than Hitler due to brainwashing, or ebin EU memes that have forever tarred Greeks and Spaniards as lazy incompetent louts and any melanin in their skin is pure coincidence

Pray tell, what policy events? Northern EU states taking in a fuckton of refugees even though by law they could simply force the Southern EU countries to take them back?

Northern EU states having a piece of paper to tell them to go back and Northern EU states having the ability to force Southern EU countries to take migrants are two different things, if the Northern countries had that capability they would've succeeded in doing so with East slavs

And don't bring the Greece situation into this. Nobody forced Greece to take up loans, inflate its bureaucracy, destroy its capacity to collect taxes, etc etc. From here it looks like we poured a shit-ton of money into Greece out of solidarity and get called Nazis in return. Up here many folks consider the EU an instrument of the South and East to siphon money away from Germany and other Northern states - have you ever considered that they may be just as right as you are?

Take away their ability to alter their currency to boost exports, take away their ability to boost their economy by increasing liquidity and public infrastructure spending, take away their assets and then extend their loan with more loans so they can never escape debt, characterize them as incompetent buffoons who simply were not working hard enough, override their own democratically elected governments (plural, happened multiple times) wishes, humiliate their entire country by reducing their healthcare standards to Nigeria run by Norwegian money?
I can sympathize with people paying the price for their foolishness but this is def a case of joint responsibility and Northern europoors more focused on looking good than doing good, failing to show any solidarity to the southern europeans when forcing them to "pay what they owe" to keep that single state spirit alive

[Helgoland]

I still don't get what the alternative would've been. Just hand over money and trust that the structural problems that led to the crisis will go away on its own? Because it's not like some countries were just magically more vulnerable to the economic crisis of 2008 than others - that shit had reasons.

[Loud Whispers]

I still don't get what the alternative would've been. Just hand over money and trust that the structural problems that led to the crisis will go away on its own?

Nope

Two things would've done them good, giving the birthplace of democracy their democracy back, or sending in Germinators to eradicate the corrupt without making the Greeks all unemployed and incapable of paying back euromoney debts

Because it's not like some countries were just magically more vulnerable to the economic crisis of 2008 than others - that shit had reasons.

This is why Germany needs to be culturally enriched by Islam in order to survive, Muslim banking can't do usury
Dead serious too, the UK we've got Western banking, Jewish banking, Chinese banking, Russian banking, pretty much any dank banking that isn't done by the Swiss to hide smuggled Indonesian public funds into private accounts, and we're the first "non-Muslim" country to sell state Islamic bonds. This is because Islamic banking is unique. It can't be morally used to support degeneracy, and instead of charging interest it charges fixed-rate returns so for example if you got an Islamic mortgage instead of paying interest you'd pay rent (as the bank would be the legal owner) and once you'd pay the full acquisition fee, ownership transfers to you. In short, Muslim wealth today is not based off of physical currency backing or debt creation, but trade and asset creation. Once more I return to the Swiss to see if they have the strength to make their finances work.

SWISSORLAN GO GO GO

Basically train your newcomers how to be sharia bankers for maximum dankness, your current system will otherwise inevitably result in all of Europe's wealth going on a one-way trip to Frankfurt as the yurpoors have all their shit repossessed to pay for interest on debts they will never be able to repay (without Norwaymoney anyways)

Also I expected our usurious markets to make a little dip but it seems confidence in oil trumps worry in independence. Market psychology is a weird thing, but I wouldn't read anything into it because it's an inconsistent and at times, insane beast.

[Helgoland]

I still don't get what the alternative would've been. Just hand over money and trust that the structural problems that led to the crisis will go away on its own?

Nope

Two things would've done them good, giving the birthplace of democracy their democracy back, or sending in Germinators to eradicate the corrupt without making the Greeks all unemployed and incapable of paying back euromoney debts

Nobody ever took away Greek democracy - the Greek people always had the power to tell their leaders 'Fuck you, and fuck all this shit'. They had that power back when the Greek debt first piled up, they had that power when the Euro was introduced, they had that power when the crisis began. They always had the option of just walking away and leaving the Euro - but they didn't, and nobody forced them.
By the way, I didn't know you were a Eurofederalist - 'sending in Germinators' would've meant the EU taking over part of Greece's, and thus all member states', sovereignity. As you know, that is indeed what I advocate - but I have the nagging suspicion that any move in such a direction would've been decried as imperialist agression and neocolonial exploitation. Which is bullshit, of course - but that's politics for you.