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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7635 on: February 23, 2018, 08:22:55 pm »

Bearing in mind that you have Amber “I don’t need to understand it to legislate it” Rudd as Home Secretary and the Tories in power, who are so out of touch with the common person they think you can feed a family on £10 a week. Oh alright some councillor in Bath said that in a now-deleted tweet.

It’s unsurprising, and it’s sad that it is so.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7636 on: February 24, 2018, 06:02:04 am »

Okay, now that I've got the text of the law on hand it is clear to see that it is not unreasonable - it is stated that it isn't illegal to attribute to Poland or the Polish people crimes committed by the Third Reich IF what you claim is factual/is part of an academic pursuit/is part of an artistic pursuit/isn't a pulbic statement.

It's not illegal as long as the judiciary (now being rebuilt by the populist government) doesn't decide to hammer you for it. Definitely not the kind of security I'd trust.

Friggin Polish martyrdom complex doesn't mesh well with reality, unfortunately.
SUre, but the problem doesn't lie in the law, but in the authoritarian government that will abuse it, and if you're outraged at our overlords then you're years late, bub. Too late at this point, things won't go back to what they once were that easily anymore. You see, at this point there aren't any parties that are capable to get enough support to take control, meaning that the boiis ruling poland will stay for quite a long time.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7637 on: February 24, 2018, 10:21:27 am »

If the law can be easily abused then the problem does lie with the law.  "You can say anything you want as long as it doesnt annoy us" goes against both the letter and the spirit of freedom of expression
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« Reply #7638 on: February 24, 2018, 10:29:04 am »

If the law can be easily abused then the problem does lie with the law.  "You can say anything you want as long as it doesnt annoy us" goes against both the letter and the spirit of freedom of expression

And the law is only as good as it's enforcement, so, it goes both ways really since the law doesn't enforce itself (unless maybe you've got police androids with sapient AI running around), people enforce it.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7639 on: February 25, 2018, 06:44:27 pm »

So, UK government's still forging ahead with it's "We can blanket age-restrict any site so long as we think it may have porn on it" idea.

Any thoughts on this? As it stands, I think it's about as smart as using laptop bags as food, and unauthoritarian as Trump, given it's not just porn sites exclusively.
People are missing the true danger behind it while focusing on the smaller, ridiculous details. It's a blatant attempt to gain direct control over internet data consumption without having to rely on private sector allies, it's a moral cause to wave as a standard to command others. The comparison with Trump is also poor; if Snowden is anything to go by, the US is still catching up to the UK when it comes to information control and subtle authoritarianism.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7640 on: February 25, 2018, 08:41:20 pm »

Hence why I specifically named Trump. Guy's authoritarian through and through, just incompetent and stuck within a democratic framework he has no idea how to abuse.
Trump does not seem authoritarian to me. He does not have the crushing power of Xi Jinping for example, nor does he seem incapable of abusing the democratic framework he's in. Very much the contrary - he's been abnormally successful with very little political or financial backing. He is still just playing the role of the tough executive who tells people on TV that they're fired. Trump's success comes from his masterful control of branding and image, which in a political system ruled by style over substance, he thrives in. You can see many of the lessons he learned in managing the image of villains, heroes and winners from his time in World Wrestling Entertainment or The Apprentice, reapplied to his Presidential campaign to great success, as many of his opponents prepare to debate him but end up in a wrestling opera instead. The mistake is in thinking the simplified mass appeal is a sign of degenerate stupidity; all I'll say is, the people writing the Daily Mail are a clever bunch, but you'd never know that by reading what they write. And at least there is more dignity in being defeated by a clownish savant, than in being defeated by a clownish brickhead.

Yeah, the law is very worrying. Someone on the UKpolitics subreddit pointed out that it seems to have been made specifically so it's hard to oppose. You oppose it, and the supporters will simply start calling you some sort of perverted individual that wants children to be able to see porn, even though that seems to be a very secondary thing the law's designed for.
Which is a common theme with this kinda stuff when they pushed it through on anti-pedo or anti-terror grounds. Thing is they can just keep pushing it through year after year, every time they get shut down they get enough leeway to continue consolidating power. The real problem is that we don't have any political representation for free flow of information, the same way other European countries like Sweden have pirate parties whose purpose is exactly that. Without any Swedish pirate MPs of our own to push back, all these efforts will continually chip away at opposition. Well, I don't think a British pirate party could succeed in our system, but we could try to get Labour and Conservative pirates elected, and so turn the major parties into pirates

As it is, I've definitely got "moving out of the country" as an option. If there's a job abroad after I leave uni, I'm not going to regret leaving this increasingly 1984-esque island behind.
Increasingly? The Americans were right, we have been a rainy socialist island for a long time. Still, it is home, and I am of the opinion that if you can't live in home, there's not much point to fleeing when you could be helping. That said you definitely shouldn't regret pursuing careers abroad, that's just a wise life choice in this graduate unfriendly economy ;D

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7641 on: February 26, 2018, 10:49:42 pm »

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« Reply #7642 on: February 27, 2018, 04:35:04 am »

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7643 on: February 27, 2018, 06:57:15 am »

Europe is undergoing what was always going to happen once enough people forgot what Hitler did. Ireland is no worse off, we're stuck between two centre right political parties who hate each other despite basically having the same ideas and motivations for long winded historical reasons, and between that, they forget that Ireland actually has anyone else in it.
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« Reply #7644 on: February 27, 2018, 09:47:35 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhQzXHYLZ4

Italy why? WTF

What in particular are you wtf’ng at?
They might end up bringing president insane misogynistic creep back. And he would actually be one of the better candidates.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7645 on: February 27, 2018, 06:32:25 pm »

Thing is, Trump's actually notching quite a few defeats and doing things like paying no heed to laws that he really ought to sign. IIRC he should have signed the Russian sanctions since it passed with more than enough votes to override the presidential veto, but in spite of that he didn't. I think. I'm kind of hazy on British political structures, so foreign ones I'm not that great at. I still think he's authoritarian, just not in the usual way. He's used to a business environment where he can basically bully things through, but now he's president he's not a fish out of water, he's a fish that was quite happy with his water, even if he wasn't doing a great job of it, then suddenly found himself floating in the air with a pit beneath him that may contain water or it may contain lava, and nobody's too sure which it is but they're acting as if they are and this metaphor has run out. Anyway, guy's used to getting things his own way and is being authoritarian because he's no longer allowed to do that and can't, so he's basically, by sheer force of will or ignorance, bending it all.
I don't think that's authoritarian, that's just being a direct leader. Hands-off leaders must likewise have their workers work as directed, but they leave that to the managers to enforce ;D
Basically I draw a difference between authoritative and authoritarian. It's actually pretty hard for any American leader to be authoritarian, because a great deal of the branches of US government, civil, military and intelligence, all run around doing their own thing and setting their own agendas. Contrast this with Xi Jinping, who has both overall command over every branch of government, and exercises actual control over every branch of government, directing all goals and targets under close supervision of his agents. People like Bannon, Carson, Pence and Mattis you can't see Trump ordering around for example. I actually disagree with the assessment of his competency in his work environments, I think he was pretty mediocre in the business environment, but has thrived in American politics. Very much a fish returning to water; force of will alone does not achieve anything, because Trump went against lots of people with strong forces of will too. It's the mistake in believing that Trump is a retard who defeated lots of clever people because he was too stupid to fail, when I would argue it's when clever people get arrogant, that they make success impossible. Just look at when the DNC had Clinton focus on swing states while Trump went off campaigning in areas like Pennsylvania that hadn't voted Republican since 1988. Everyone thought this was the action of a political rookie, an absolute moron, and he not only won the swing states, he flipped safe Democrat states. Why? Well for starters it's worth noting how honest fools are smarter than dishonest boffins; I always rather like the anecdote of the oracle telling Socrates he was the smartest person in Hellas, because he was the only to accept he wasn't that smart. And of course the other thing is that when it comes to gauging public sentiments, the guy's been touring the USA for years and before that, working well in the entertainment industry - where I think his true value comes not in business, but in branding. All sorts of stuff which makes for a potent President Mt. Dew III

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I mean, be more British to call ourselves the privateer party, actually.
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And the problem with staying and helping is... well, how? I know I can vote, that's standard, and I do go out and vote, but the problem is that there's no major party (See: The two major parties) willing to properly represent my views. Closest is Labour, and they're still a decent distance away. Wouldn't have this issue with proportional representation, but there's no way in hell that'll happen unless the Lib Dems or someone somehow gain a huge amount of massively temporary seats and try to implement reform before the whole thing collapses around them so as to give themselves a better chance in the future. Or massive public outcry, which seems unlikely.
It's better to go abroad, work and then go into politics with real life experience than join the absolute slaughterfest that is current UK politics. As far as I can tell only the libdems aren't cannibilizing themselves right now, and that's because everyone in the libdem has fallen asleep

Also what's in the youtube video? It's blocked for some reason for me

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« Reply #7646 on: February 27, 2018, 07:03:16 pm »


Also what's in the youtube video? It's blocked for some reason for me

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, he was talking about various Italian politics stuff in relation to the election they're having there soon.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7647 on: February 27, 2018, 07:06:47 pm »

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, he was talking about various Italian politics stuff in relation to the election they're having there soon.
Tbh I don't regret it being blocked then, John Oliver is one of the few people worse than Piers Morgan. At least the current year man meme is pretty spicy

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« Reply #7648 on: February 27, 2018, 07:23:06 pm »

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, he was talking about various Italian politics stuff in relation to the election they're having there soon.
Tbh I don't regret it being blocked then, John Oliver is one of the few people worse than Piers Morgan. At least the current year man meme is pretty spicy

I don't know that much about Piers Morgan, but yeah, John Oliver's never impressed me that much. His humour always felt a bit too attack-addish, too explicitly political, to be really funny.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7649 on: March 01, 2018, 03:46:52 am »

The Netherlands has a new prince, and the Spanish throne a new claimant to succession: Hugo Klynstra, the son of Brigitte Klynstra, and Spanish prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme, son of Carlos Hugo de Bourbon de Parme (died 2010) and princess Irene of Oranje-Nassau.
For the past few years he has been battling in court, to have his name changed, from Hugo Klynstra to His Royal Highness Prince Carlos Hugo Roderick Sybren de Bourbon de Parme.

Now the court ruled that this is indeed his birthright, since even though his father never married his mother, he did recognize and accept paternity.
He will have no claim to the Dutch throne, but his recognition as nobility does make him the head of the family de Bourbon de Parma, and theoretically does give him a claim to the Spanish throne, through his grandfather's succession line, which he has already made. He even went so far to travel to Spain after baptizing his newborn child in Italy, to show the child to Spain as a new crown prince.

Fun fact: he is a direct descendant of Louis XIV, the sun king of France.
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