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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6510 on: October 26, 2019, 01:05:17 pm »

There is no uncanny valley, to me they all look human
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6511 on: October 26, 2019, 01:55:21 pm »

There are subtle differences, and if you MAKE a person symmetrical (such as via a mirror, or using photoshop) the resulting image triggers uncanny valley.

To be fair they intentionally chose some of the most jarring ones to lead with. Many of the rest look a little odd, but comfortably within the realm of humanity and out of the uncanny valley. What's also interesting is that at a glance, the people who seem to have suffered the least from being mirrored... are the conventionally attractive ones. Crazy how that happens.

There are a lot of factors at play, not all of them necessarily imperfections. They'd get a lot of improvement if they used a material the light interacts with more like skin - translucence, transition between specular/diffuse reflections, and so on.

It's also not helping them that her posture is off and her hands are clearly plastic.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6512 on: October 26, 2019, 02:35:29 pm »

Also take notice that those photos are not one unmirrored and one mirrored photo, they're both different sides mirrored.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6513 on: October 26, 2019, 02:53:54 pm »

My wife's aunt (I guess my aunt in law) is a pig. Not like "leaves the laundry out" or "doesn't do the dishes." She'll cook an entire dinner and leave everything, including raw meat and prepared food, out of the fridge for a day or more at a time. Wherever dishes fall, that's where they lay until we come back over next week and find them.

I cannot wait until we have our own place together. I am so sick of not working.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6514 on: October 26, 2019, 02:54:42 pm »

correct. 

Personally, I found them all to be in the uncanny valley, because they register as artificial to me. (Then again, I apparently spend entirely too much time subconsciously examining people's face and bone structure. Probably because I used to sculpt as a hobby.) Real humans have all kinds of quirks about their structure that is intricate and unique.

Agreed about better material choice though.  Simulating good skin that is both appropriate photo-refractively, AND has sufficient and appropriate stretch (Madam Tussaud's wax museum gets the refractivity down really good these days, but does not come close to the elasticity requirement, etc.)
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6515 on: October 26, 2019, 03:00:50 pm »

The link just shows a white screen for me
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6516 on: October 26, 2019, 03:01:36 pm »

Probably a hotlinking protection.

Source article about Mdme Tussauds
https://evanevanstours.com/blog/the-strange-history-of-madame-tussauds/

Image is of two overly-excited tourists posing with a wax replica of everyone's favorite american president. (My fingers feel dirty typing that.)
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6517 on: October 26, 2019, 03:55:21 pm »

Thanks for the picture, it doesn’t look like wax to me, had you not said it was in a wax museum, I wouldn’t have known it to be wax
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6518 on: October 26, 2019, 04:14:27 pm »

That particular museum has built a name and reputation around the photo-realism of their replicas.

The wax is translucent, and when mixed with the correct opaque pigments, it can give a surprisingly lifelike skin appearance. Another that can give a surprisingly lifelike skin is vinyl, amusingly.

There are a few artists that use that medium, Duane Hanson is one.
https://whitney.org/collection/works/2160

I am not certain, but I think Ron Mueck's work is also in vinyl.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6519 on: October 26, 2019, 04:34:59 pm »

If vinyl and wax work well as skin lookalikes, why aren’t they used on the robots?
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6520 on: October 26, 2019, 04:37:52 pm »

Vinyl bends, rather than stretches, at the thicknesses needed to make the refractive properties right.

Wax is brittle. It does not flex. It will crack and break.


Edit--

My bad, Ron uses SILICONE, not vinyl.  So that's another material. Silicone might work with the right additives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYX_jV-lAfk
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6521 on: October 27, 2019, 06:06:45 am »

Personally, I found them all to be in the uncanny valley, because they register as artificial to me. (Then again, I apparently spend entirely too much time subconsciously examining people's face and bone structure. Probably because I used to sculpt as a hobby.) Real humans have all kinds of quirks about their structure that is intricate and unique.

"Can be discerned as edited" is not the same thing as "uncanny". I can also tell they're all edited, it's a question of whether it instantly rings an internal alarm as somehow wrong or not.

It'd be neat to see something done with maybe a sort of gel under a silicone layer, with a simulated waxy cuticle over the top to try and hit the right reflections. May well have been done, I haven't bothered to check.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6522 on: October 27, 2019, 07:32:17 am »

My day at work today is going to fucking suck :D

We got here, we open the front door, and are greeted with the smell of mildew and rotten eggs. Turns out they cleaned the carpets last night unannounced (even the GM of the place wasn't told they were coming) and did such a great job that it smells like mild sewage. Carpets are wet, chairs are wet, and it's all juuuuuust not bad enough that I can't justify sending people home. It's just bad enough to be noticeable.

Also it's humid in here like someone is trying to grow something tropical.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6523 on: October 27, 2019, 12:29:21 pm »

Came across this today and thought of this thread:


edit: omagaw that picture ended up a bit wider than I thought it was
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #6524 on: October 27, 2019, 12:38:20 pm »

Interesting, both look like humans though, which one is the wax one?
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