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Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« on: March 20, 2016, 08:21:59 pm »

Does anyone know any other games that are deep in depth of fighting like DF adventure mode?
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2016, 08:33:32 pm »

Nope, and its in depth in pretty much everything not just fighting, I have seen no other game with a "bard system" as complex as dwarf fortresse's, same with combat. Also, in no other game is the world actually legitimately ALIVE while you play.


I know df took some inspiration from "IVAN" with combat, but df has refined it even more since then, so i cannot really think of anything.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 01:22:21 am »

D&D
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 12:49:19 pm »

D&D
Nah. D&D depends on a hitpoint system, which, while convenient and extremely useful, is completely unrealistic.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 03:37:26 pm »

I've never seen a tabletop with fighting nearly as in-depth as DF's. Does anyone know a tabletop with damage to limbs inhibiting fighting? There was one system where everyone starts out as max level, then they lose EXP when they get hurt until everyone is a scarred old man.

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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2016, 05:12:54 pm »

Palladium had the limb damage type stuff with all the autism-tables, but once I discovered how much better M&M was at everything Palladium tried to do I haven't thought twice about my books in the storage room.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 07:02:05 pm »

I've never seen a tabletop with fighting nearly as in-depth as DF's. Does anyone know a tabletop with damage to limbs inhibiting fighting? There was one system where everyone starts out as max level, then they lose EXP when they get hurt until everyone is a scarred old man.
Well, I think F.A.T.A.L. might have had that. It certainly had a lot of other unnecessary details. Far, far too many unnecessary details. If you don't know what F.A.T.A.L. is I recommend continuing to not know.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 08:05:46 pm »

I refuse to learn enough about FATAL to know whether or not that's a thing.

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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2016, 05:34:46 pm »

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I have read the rules of FATAL, and they are extremely broken.
Even if you strip out some of the more... interesting rules and lore, you won't get a working system. At least Rolemaster works, even if it's extremely complex. If you want a DF-like combat system, try that.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 08:56:11 am »

I've seen worse things than fatal! [Insert evil laugh here]
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2016, 07:05:53 pm »

Well OP I've thought of some games that are sort of similar so here ya go: the games I've thought of.

Monster Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyimeuI9Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smGduqXa22g#t=3m40s

To fight huge monsters in this you have to learn a bunch of timing-intense moves and keep planning them out all the time because getting clipped by a huge monster can send you flying, and you have to always be setting up traps and sequences, and you can stun a dino by stamping a mallet into its noggin. The enemies react to locational damage, they have tails to sever and you can shred up their wings etc. It's really detailed and you fight big monsters.

Instead of the character having combat skills or stats you level up, you just develop your skill as a player, each weapon has combo sets you have to learn to know how to hit where you want to. You also change your abilities by matching the armor you wear. You can make earplugs out of giant rabbits so you don't get stunned by dragon roars and like a hundred other things.
http://kiranico.com/en/mh3u/armor

I've only played MH3U for the 3DS which has a lot of swimming. Some people hate it but I think it's fine, except the game was a big factor in wearing my C-stick out, but that's life.

Cataclysm
http://en.cataclysmdda.com/

You can get a development version of cataclysm right off of github if you want. It's sort of similar to DF, it has some screwy locational damage and also it has infections you can die of. In the experimental versions you can get grabbed and you can sprint; most of your skill in this game is about how good you are at running away. A lot of depth comes from meticulous weaponry assembly and also fire is really cool in this game. The combat isn't too similar to DF really and you spend a lot more time gearing up and turning yourself into a cyborg or lizard mutant etc but it has a lot of the same overall feeling to me, like there are countrysides with various animals cavorting around. The main fun thing is to build a tank and run over a bunch of idiots with it. Also you can slay a CHUD, butcher it, and take its 50-gallon drum.

Dark Souls
http://store.steampowered.com/app/211420/

I like the combat in DS because if I screw up I'm dead pretty quickly, like in DF if a tough vampire dude cuts my foot I have like .4 seconds to live after that, and everyone you fight can be a huge danger. From also made armored core so to me it always felt like the knights handle like mechs lol. To be good in melee you have to practice the timing for all the wallops you can do with the weapon you like, and account for attacks being interrupted and so forth. You have to study just about every normal NPC you run into and also know the tricks that multiplayer invaders do. Main features include fuckers throwing napalm at you and immense dudes with hammers who like to scoop ya. If you check around half.com or slickdeals or wait for a steam sale it's pretty easy to get this game for $10 or less. AFAIK a lot of people still play it so you can organize irl with other players to do big arena tournaments.

Hybrid Heaven
You're a spy or something and you do pro-wrestling moves on aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcsdZYEev3A#t=7m

Sil
(Haven't been able to compile this lately)
http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07f3rKY2c50

I think the depth in Sil comes from figuring out different tactics for different monsters. If orcs find you in a room with two entrances they will stand outside the door, split up, and attack you from both of them, rather than just all coming at you in a big line. You also get lots of perks as you level up that let you build different fighting styles. It's like angband plus cool stuff.

There ya go OP have fun go nuts let's all think of some games.
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2016, 07:19:45 pm »

Cataclysm isn't super in-depth with the fighting, you and NPCs are the only ones with HP on different body parts, the zombies and such have one health bar. And you can't aim shots.

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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2016, 09:35:18 pm »

Thanks for all the replies
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2016, 09:36:23 pm »

Well OP I've thought of some games that are sort of similar so here ya go: the games I've thought of.

Monster Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyimeuI9Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smGduqXa22g#t=3m40s

To fight huge monsters in this you have to learn a bunch of timing-intense moves and keep planning them out all the time because getting clipped by a huge monster can send you flying, and you have to always be setting up traps and sequences, and you can stun a dino by stamping a mallet into its noggin. The enemies react to locational damage, they have tails to sever and you can shred up their wings etc. It's really detailed and you fight big monsters.

Instead of the character having combat skills or stats you level up, you just develop your skill as a player, each weapon has combo sets you have to learn to know how to hit where you want to. You also change your abilities by matching the armor you wear. You can make earplugs out of giant rabbits so you don't get stunned by dragon roars and like a hundred other things.
http://kiranico.com/en/mh3u/armor

I've only played MH3U for the 3DS which has a lot of swimming. Some people hate it but I think it's fine, except the game was a big factor in wearing my C-stick out, but that's life.

Cataclysm
http://en.cataclysmdda.com/

You can get a development version of cataclysm right off of github if you want. It's sort of similar to DF, it has some screwy locational damage and also it has infections you can die of. In the experimental versions you can get grabbed and you can sprint; most of your skill in this game is about how good you are at running away. A lot of depth comes from meticulous weaponry assembly and also fire is really cool in this game. The combat isn't too similar to DF really and you spend a lot more time gearing up and turning yourself into a cyborg or lizard mutant etc but it has a lot of the same overall feeling to me, like there are countrysides with various animals cavorting around. The main fun thing is to build a tank and run over a bunch of idiots with it. Also you can slay a CHUD, butcher it, and take its 50-gallon drum.

Dark Souls
http://store.steampowered.com/app/211420/

I like the combat in DS because if I screw up I'm dead pretty quickly, like in DF if a tough vampire dude cuts my foot I have like .4 seconds to live after that, and everyone you fight can be a huge danger. From also made armored core so to me it always felt like the knights handle like mechs lol. To be good in melee you have to practice the timing for all the wallops you can do with the weapon you like, and account for attacks being interrupted and so forth. You have to study just about every normal NPC you run into and also know the tricks that multiplayer invaders do. Main features include fuckers throwing napalm at you and immense dudes with hammers who like to scoop ya. If you check around half.com or slickdeals or wait for a steam sale it's pretty easy to get this game for $10 or less. AFAIK a lot of people still play it so you can organize irl with other players to do big arena tournaments.

Hybrid Heaven
You're a spy or something and you do pro-wrestling moves on aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcsdZYEev3A#t=7m

Sil
(Haven't been able to compile this lately)
http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07f3rKY2c50

I think the depth in Sil comes from figuring out different tactics for different monsters. If orcs find you in a room with two entrances they will stand outside the door, split up, and attack you from both of them, rather than just all coming at you in a big line. You also get lots of perks as you level up that let you build different fighting styles. It's like angband plus cool stuff.

There ya go OP have fun go nuts let's all think of some games.

I've heard of cataclysm, just have to learn the mechanics and thanks for the other ones, I'll have to check them out
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Re: Got to like how deep the fighting is in adventure mode.
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2016, 09:37:26 pm »

Nope, and its in depth in pretty much everything not just fighting, I have seen no other game with a "bard system" as complex as dwarf fortresse's, same with combat. Also, in no other game is the world actually legitimately ALIVE while you play.


I know df took some inspiration from "IVAN" with combat, but df has refined it even more since then, so i cannot really think of anything.

I agree! Really in depth makes in amazing!
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