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[Senshuken]

Well, you know what Clanleader Senshuken says: "No one ever got anything by being a pussy."

[smakemupagus]

How close are we thinking the embarks have to be to see interactions?  If you follow the road (that is called "the Odorous Ways" on the Orcish side of the border and "The Whimsical Road" on the Dwarf side) about 5 region tiles south from Latugpradbuub, just as the road comes down from the mountains there's a ruin called Nosimoltar at the intersection of the road and brook and another unnamed construction (is that some kind of deepway?)  The prairies and savanahs around there have no aquifer, and deep metals.

Although, it looks like you have to go a region-map tile or so futher south of Nosimoltar if you want to be in range of elvish traders.

Edit.  PS.  Nosimoltar has some history as a border fort:

Spoiler: "Nosimoltar, Kindgilt was a fortress." (click to show/hide)

Nosimoltar, "Kindgilt" Kindgilt was a fortress. 
In 78, The Cremated Girder of The Slippery Lances founded Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Erith Bannerwave settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Doren Boundvaults settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Kol Bookescort settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Momuz Earthfind settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Obok Windytown settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the marksman dwarf Ushrir Riddleddyes settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the merchants guild dwarf Mafol Clearingtheater settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the dwarf Shorast Cultpage settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, the beast wardens guild dwarf As Vesselmoons settled in Kindgilt.
In 78, The Cremated Girder of The Slippery Lances constructed The Helmed Keg in Kindgilt.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Infallible Bridge as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Excavated Bridge as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Soaked Bridge as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Bridge of Brews as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Bridge of Raptors as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Buff Tongs of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Bridge of Emancipation as a part of The Whimsical Road connecting Kindgilt and Bluntmountain.
In 78, The Room of Wars of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Bowel of Yells connecting Paintplanks and Kindgilt.
In 78, The Born Armors of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Mechanical Sly Bowels connecting Constructstream and Kindgilt.
In 78, The Sculpted Quake of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Halls of Toning connecting Gladerope and Kindgilt.
In 79, the dwarf Olin Quakewheel settled in Kindgilt.
In 79, The Great Poisons of The Hell of Toads finished the construction of The Odorous Ways connecting Ghoulnations and Kindgilt.
In 79, The Great Poisons of The Hell of Toads finished the construction of The Livid Bridge as a part of The Odorous Ways connecting Ghoulnations and Kindgilt.
In 79, The Great Poisons of The Hell of Toads finished the construction of The Bridge of Yawns as a part of The Odorous Ways connecting Ghoulnations and Kindgilt.
In 79, The Great Poisons of The Hell of Toads finished the construction of The Artificial Bridge as a part of The Odorous Ways connecting Ghoulnations and Kindgilt.
In 79, The Great Poisons of The Hell of Toads finished the construction of The Bridge of Prophecy as a part of The Odorous Ways connecting Ghoulnations and Kindgilt.
In 80, the legionnaire dwarf Melbil Routlanced was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latuul Profanesavage.
In 81, the dwarf Shorast Cultpage was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latuul Profanesavage.
In 86, the dwarf Obok Windytown was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latuul Profanesavage.
In 87, The Cremated Girder of The Slippery Lances finished the construction of The Ways of Talking connecting Leafsteel and Kindgilt.
In 89, the beast wardens guild dwarf As Vesselmoons became a philosopher in Kindgilt.
In 90, the dwarf Urist Watchgravel was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latuul Profanesavage.
In 90, the dwarf Momuz Earthfind became a fishery worker in Kindgilt.
In 90, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities became a *Ranger* in Kindgilt.
In 90, the marksman dwarf Ushrir Riddleddyes became a farmer in Kindgilt.
In 90, the merchants guild dwarf Mafol Clearingtheater became a farmer in Kindgilt.
In 91, the dwarf Momuz Earthfind stopped being a fishery worker in Kindgilt.
In 91, the marksman dwarf Ushrir Riddleddyes gave up being a farmer to become a fishery worker in Kindgilt.
In 92, the dwarf Urist Watchgravel fled to Kindgilt.
In 92, the dwarf Urist Watchgravel was reunited with the dwarf Olin Quakewheel in Kindgilt.
In 92, The Cremated Girder of The Slippery Lances constructed The Lunches of Candy in Kindgilt.
In 92, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities gave up being a *Ranger* to become a tavern keeper in Kindgilt.
In 92, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities started working at The Lunches of Candy in Kindgilt.
In 93, the dwarf Fath Frenzyfortress became a ranger in Kindgilt.
In 95, the dwarf Besmar Weakboard was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Uzgash Smearedflies.
In 95, the dwarf Urist Watchgravel was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Buruk Riddleevils.
In 95, the dwarf Likot Partnerlash was abducted from Kindgilt by the olog Buur Evilfists.
In 96, the dwarf Alath Metalimages was abducted from Kindgilt by the snaga Alatuul Evilworried.
In the early spring of 96, the cyclops Rusna Gravellilac the Steel of Emeralds attacked the marksman dwarf Ushrir Riddleddyes.
In the early spring of 96, the marksman dwarf Ushrir Riddleddyes was struck down by the cyclops Rusna Gravellilac the Steel of Emeralds in Kindgilt.
In 97, the dwarf Ubbul Floorwashed settled in Kindgilt.
In 97, the dwarf Ubbul Floorwashed became a fishery worker in Kindgilt.
In 99, the wrestler dwarf Asob Glazedburial settled in Kindgilt.
In 99, the wrestler dwarf Asob Glazedburial became a ranger in Kindgilt.
In 100, the dwarf Moldath Paintvalleys was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Guurguul Channeledjackal.
In 101, the dwarf Lokum Fedsilver settled in Kindgilt.
In 101, the jewelers guild dwarf Thob Wanebook was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Guurguul Channeledjackal.
In 101, the dwarf Ablel Gaterub was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Snazguub Glazeghoul.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a rooster of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a blue peahen of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a buck rabbit of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a turkey hen of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a gander of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a ewe of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a blue peacock of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a guineahen of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a cat of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a cat of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the early summer of 101, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a rooster of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In 103, the dwarf Tobul Guardgirders was abducted from Kindgilt by the dreamwalker Yagratak Paperhells.
In 103, the marksman dwarf Ushat Heavyplank was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Snazguub Glazeghoul.
In 108, the dwarf Solon Stokershoots was abducted from Kindgilt by the olog Buur Evilfists.
In 108, the dwarf Tulon Cloisterflights was abducted from Kindgilt by the snaga Bolugd Lucidhatred.
In 108, the dwarf Ingiz Papertone was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Zatalat Scorpionpack.
In 109, the dwarf Kib Steppeurns was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latugdur Gloriesevil.
In 109, the dwarf Tobul Guardgirders fled to Kindgilt.
In 109, the dwarf Tobul Guardgirders was reunited with the dwarf Olin Quakewheel in Kindgilt.
In 110, the jewelers guild dwarf Ustuth Circledchambers was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Latak Curserealm.
In 110, the dwarf Kogsak Roomclean was abducted from Kindgilt by the snaga Bolugd Lucidhatred.
In 110, the dwarf Tobul Guardgirders was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Uzgash Smearedflies.
In the late spring of 113, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a cat of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In the late spring of 113, the orc Bolugd Jackalcurious devoured a dog of The Cremated Girder in Kindgilt.
In 115, the dwarf Tholtig Bronzeshot was abducted from Kindgilt by the uruk Urb Brandedticks.
In 115, the dwarf Tun Boltsnumbers was abducted from Kindgilt by the orc Srithmog Claspedprofane.
In 118, the dwarf Tun Boltsnumbers fled to Kindgilt.
In 118, the dwarf Tun Boltsnumbers was reunited with the dwarf Ubbul Floorwashed and the dwarf Doren Boundvaults in Kindgilt.
In 119, the dwarf Tun Boltsnumbers was abducted from Kindgilt by the snaga Bolugd Lucidhatred.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun attacked the merchants guild dwarf Mafol Clearingtheater.
In the early spring of 124, the merchants guild dwarf Mafol Clearingtheater was struck down by the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Mesabeu Takewill the Ivy-Zephyr of Culmination attacked the dwarf Olin Quakewheel.
In the early spring of 124, the dwarf Olin Quakewheel was struck down by the cyclops Mesabeu Takewill the Ivy-Zephyr of Culmination in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Pastspecial the Prestigious Aquamarine attacked the dwarf Ubbul Floorwashed.
In the early spring of 124, the dwarf Ubbul Floorwashed was struck down by the cyclops Pastspecial the Prestigious Aquamarine in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun attacked the dwarf Risen Copperiron.
In the early spring of 124, the dwarf Risen Copperiron was struck down by the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Mesabeu Takewill the Ivy-Zephyr of Culmination attacked the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Mesabeu Takewill the Ivy-Zephyr of Culmination fought with the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities.  While defeated, the latter escaped unscathed.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Pastspecial the Prestigious Aquamarine attacked the wrestler dwarf Asob Glazedburial.
In the early spring of 124, the wrestler dwarf Asob Glazedburial was struck down by the cyclops Pastspecial the Prestigious Aquamarine in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 124, the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun attacked the dwarf Doren Boundvaults.
In the early spring of 124, the dwarf Doren Boundvaults was struck down by the cyclops Otar Flashcoal the Power of Sun in Kindgilt.
In 125, the dwarf Avuz Oarbolt settled in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 171, the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors attacked The Cremated Girder at Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 171, the dwarf Avuz Oarbolt's right upper leg was smashed by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors.
In the early spring of 171, the dwarf Avuz Oarbolt was struck down by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 171, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities's lower lip was smashed by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors.
In the early spring of 171, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities's lower front tooth was torn off by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors.
In the early spring of 171, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities's mouth was smashed by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors.
In the early spring of 171, the beast wardens guild dwarf Tekkud Praisedcities was struck down by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors in Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 171, the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors routed The Cremated Girder of The Slippery Lances and destroyed Kindgilt.
In the early spring of 171, the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors settled in Kindgilt.
In 185, the dwarf Fath Honormansion confronted the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors.
In 185, the dwarf Fath Honormansion was struck down by the forgotten beast Rhab Jackalseduce the Evil of Terrors in Kindgilt.
 

[jimboo]

How close are we thinking the embarks have to be to see interactions? 

I dunno, but BellsWhispered is now abutted to you guys, south.  I thought overlapping a bit might be pushing it for an already established Orc outpost.    This dwarven experiment might turn out to be an example of what not to do: the FPS is crashing already and somehow, the aquifer seems to be seeping upwards.  (I know that can't happen, sure seems like it, though.  Maybe somebody will take over and just drain the damn thing w/ DFHack.) 

Still, one fortress right next door should establish that as a limit, anyhow.  Will post up in a few hours --

[jimboo]

“There’s Orcs nearby, to be sure, but it’s a prime location, beachfront property, loaded with orange and apple groves, berry fruits just for the pickin’ and some of the prettiest hillsides  you’ll ever see.”  That was the sales pitch from the mapmaker, anyway, and the first part of it was true, at least.  The Orcs of Latugpradbuub are right next door.  Nobody mentioned the aquifer that is right below the surface …

Stated Goal: Establish a dwarven fort adjacent to the new Orcs in Latugpradbuub to try and provoke a (controlled?) raid.

And it looked so promising to start –

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1st Galena, 201, late Summer.

Day One:  Whoa, only 28 points left after embarking 7 hardy souls.  This is my first play in a long time without cheating somewhat, took me by surprise.  Selling most everything back to have any embark skills at all.  The guys will have to make do with mostly plump helmets for awhile.  We’re bringing along some copper bars, one of iron for a decent weapon, several stones and one anthracite just for emergency coke, planning to make most everything else.  A breeding pair of turkeys since the egglayers haven’t been nerfed back, yet.  A lot of sand, just to get the cheap bags.  Two dogs, a male that hunts.  And what a bunch of wimpy losers!  Well, have to make do.  There’s soil for training miners, it’ll be an effort to punch through that aquifer.  Some surprises upon embarking: the brook turned into a river, currently alligator and hippo infested.  The cliff face isn’t as high as expected and nothing’s showing but soil.  The river is sandbanked and w/o stone so if the aquifer is just below, problems.  The guys are burrowing into the sand cliff face to hedge the bet.  Wait, hold on – Day One is LATE SUMMER?  Dwarves next month w/o any tradegoods?  Hmm.  The wagon was pulled by a yak cow and a one-hump camel.

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Here’s the starting lineup with the few skills we could afford.  Initially it’s ‘all hands on deck’ for most labors.  Olin, our Herbalist, is going to grab some quick berries and such to add to our tiny larder since most everything was sold back to have any skill points at all.  A couple of blocks from embarked stone, a metalworks, another pick …

[smakemupagus]

And it looked so promising to start –

Ha, That's an ominous beginning!   

[jimboo]

Addendum: the only foreign Civs listed around us are the Orcs and some Giant Badgermen and the other Dwarves don’t seem to like us very much.  With a river and all those limestone boulders scattered about, I was expecting at least some stone above the aquifer; in hindsight, should have embarked with a couple dozen more cheap rocks for trap mechanisms.  Smake’s Orcs have no problem butchering the hippos, I doubt we’d have the same luck.  Vermin haven’t been a problem so far, wooden animal traps must be working. 

14th Galena

2 weeks gone by; we have some idea where the aquifer lies but it’s an odd shape as in, it’s not evenly distributed throughout the sand and loam.  Hmm.  It seems we’re a wooden industry site at least for the moment – the next caravan (might?) come by in only a couple of weeks and we have nothing at all to trade.  The hunting dog was assigned to our woodcutter who has one point as Ambusher; I hope that’s enough to keep him alive with the hippos and gators around.  It was not an embark screen that I’m used to; no leatherwing bats = no easy leather armor.  And no moleweasels offered so I forgot about vermin; was I supposed to buy a cat??  Looks like wooden traps around the kitchen larder at least for now.

1st Limestone, early Autumn.
Not much accomplished in the last month; poking a few holes, trying to find an easy path to some stone.  Most of the goods are inside (food, anyway) and the turkeys are in a pen with doors and a nest box.  A wooden nest box (sigh).  I guess we need a log Trade Depot and Liaison Office in case there’s a caravan this week.  And one door wasn’t forbidden in time so we have kitchen eggs instead of poults.

13th Limestone.
Yep, Dwarven caravan.  Scrambling to get a Depot and Office slapped together.

25th Limestone
Well, that could have gone better – the dwarves brought us only a couple of bars of metal, no rocks and a half-dozen assorted blocks, no weapons to speak of (we passed on the very expensive, studded platinum mauls and halberds).  A lot of foodstuffs and enough booze to last until maybe Spring, that was about it.  Absolutely nothing made of gold, and calling for more caravans with coin might be our only hope of survival this close to the Orcs.  One percussion instrument.  One bin each of leather and cloth, guess we should start on some leather armor next.  Almost nothing offered of metal, not even bolts that could have been melted down!  The miners are exploring around one area of loam where the aquifer hasn’t yet penetrated, might be a suitable location for a cave-in; we’ve been digging around trying to find the barrier rock but, no luck so far and with only seven workers … The rhinos, hippos and gators have mostly kept their distance, our Axeman has taken out one (wimpy) lioness and is currently standing guard.  We need a butcher and tanner shop.

26th Limestone.
Migrants!  Certainly can’t see why but must be they enjoy a challenge.  Making more picks from our remaining copper.  7 newbies, doubling our population: one decent leatherworker, one so-so mason.  None even dabble w/ military training; we need to start work on that. 

20th Timber, late Autumn.
Established a Tavern, the Lunches of Clasping, hoping to draw in a few mercenaries and some coin.  A couple of the migrants are entertainers at heart; we don’t need carousing with only 14 workers but there’s little here to do except depressing digging though not-damp soil, searching for rock.  And putting up those depressing wooden blockade walls. 

[jimboo]

The Liaison had finished the trading and now wondered what he could possibly do with 37 spiked wooden balls.  He saw dejected workers putting up a wooden blockade in anticipation of the neighboring Orcs.  Wooden!  Digging around in wet sand.  Living in the dirt like some sodden tree-huggers!  He looked around in disgust.  “These dwarves be ELVES,” he said to no one in particular.  He shook his head, spit on the ground and left without making any plans to return the following year to this Armok-forsaken travesty of a fortress.


1st Moonstone, early Winter.
Hey!  That dwarf representative left without presenting a Wish List for next year!  No messages, nothing. 
Is this it?  Are we really going to be a wood industry, two-layer soil fortress?? 

[jimboo]

Ist Moonstone, early Winter, continued. 

Expanding the dry loam discovery led to an expansive room under the front wall and that’s good, but a controlled cave-in there would be right under our kitchens and gardens.  There are tons of limestone boulders on the surface and plenty of limestone pebble tiles but every exploratory staircase around them has proven to be sand.  Wet sand.  In other news, the Tavern is proving popular with our guys, at least.  Before deciding next steps on Project Aquifer, we’ll build a small Temple and at least a proper bedroom for our expedition leader, Bookie.

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Dry loam.  Unfortunately, right under the kitchen.

The goal here was – HERE – to have a dwarven fortress right next to the Orc stronghold to see if that sparks a raiding party.  A cave-in from up top would require at least a 25 tile rectangle followed by many pumps and that’s if the aquifer is only one lvl deep (it is *so* tempting to cheat with DFHack reveal); maybe the best thing would be to set up ‘the basics’ and abandon this fort so somebody can come reclaim it with 7 armed troops, needing to do nothing until the migrant waves or the Orcs come visiting.  Even with all 14 workers, we can’t punch an aquifer down four levels before next Autumn.  In somewhat good news, our best carpenter, Olin (now named Woody) has progressed from novice carpenter to lvl 6; we can leave a stockpile of those spiked wooden balls for next autumn worth about 600 each. 

[jimboo]

8th Opal, mid-winter.

Work continues.  Just setting up the basics of a fortress in the first year with few workers means there’s nobody available to work on Project Aquifer and it’s possible those Orcs will come by any day.  I have no idea how that interaction works.     Invaders are On, we’ll see soon enough.  We built a weight bench; hated to use two of our few remaining stones to do it but everybody here is such wimps – our axeman, Mesthos, is pathetically weak and I’d hate to lose him because he can’t lift an iron axe.  He’s just started hefting boulders (really, Meph?  The lead and iron weights were a problem?) and at strength 748, that’s “very weak for a dwarf,” says Therapist. 

8th Obsidian, late Winter
Mesthos finished his first set of rock reps, went from 748 strength to 751 or “very weak” to “weak for a dwarf.”  This could take some time…  Using those two rocks for weights means we can’t make mechanisms for the raising bridges so, sacrificed some of the remaining copper.  The plan was to have only one gate, then the first honeybees showed up and naturally they’re way over to one side so, two gates, one lever in the Control Room. 

1st Granite, early Spring.

Putting in some quarry bushes to have oil for soap in the MASH unit.  And hey, looks like there are some olives on the ground next to the new front gate; no trees, must have been one in the way and cut down.  Still, scouts are out looking for other olive trees for oil/soap. 

[smakemupagus]

Sounds like it's about time for the boys to "import" some iron over here, if you catch my drift.

[jimboo]

6th Granite

14 poults have hatched, we’ll have leather and turkey roasts someday.  There’s a proper meat packers/tannery now in the courtyard.  The front rock bridge is up and the blockade is nearly finished.  We’ve had no migrants since that first wave of seven last fall.  The scouts have failed to find a single olive tree still standing anywhere so, rock nuts in the ground for quarry bushes.  Our glassmaker, Stukos, has been piddling around making jugs and pots and the occasional cabinet just to get some skills although it’s not the best use of our resources.  He’s been filling his own bags of sand and he’s still at lvl 1, at least it’s his highest moodable skill.  Which reminds me, we haven’t had a mood yet in this place. 

The upper level:

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Turkey farm, leather and clothes shops/ beginnings of a Textile area, working on a few more dirt bedrooms.   When we’ve pressed oil, there will be a butcher and tanner shop in w/ the birds. 

18th Granite

More migrants, looks like the extra bedrooms did the trick.  21!  An excellent cook, weaver and mason – naturally – but with 35 warm bodies, we can start military prep and get on with Project Aquifer.  Wow, we don’t have nearly enough bedrooms –

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[img]http://i.imgur.com/BwmxMAf.jpg[img]

A typical day in the neighborhood –

[jimboo]

Sounds like it's about time for the boys to "import" some iron over here, if you catch my drift.

That's one way, certainly.  I'm about to finish up with recommended possibilities for the next player and easiest of all would just be to DFHack drain that damn aquifer.  Still would be short of iron (steel) but, bronze, anyway. 

[jimboo]

25th Granite.

Mithril!  I typically turn Hunting off for migrants, missed this one and he’s targeted a rhino. 

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I don’t play with exploits – usually – but for this place, we’re going to melt down every one of those bolts for helms.  Shoot, if nobody finds a path soon to the tetrahedrite, it will be tempting to exploit the coins or recycle trap components.   Anyway, turning off “forbid used ammunition” now, setting a stockpile next to the new smelter. 
   
1st Slate, mid-Spring.

Ha!  I just figured out why the migrant influx was so slow:

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Seven months on, this fortress is still worth only 39K.  That’s less than two decent metal trap components from a skilled weaponsmith.  Ah, well.  We still don’t have much to work with: the “other” is prepared foods, we’re trying to switch over to a Food Industry from all this wooden crap.  Spiked balls are easy enough but very un-dwarfy.  It bugs me. 
Pressing some olives for oil, when we have enough we’ll start hardening some leather.  Nobody seems to want that caged llama for a pet so he’ll be another suit of armor soon.  And llama roasts. 

[smakemupagus]

Sounds like it's about time for the boys to "import" some iron over here, if you catch my drift.

That's one way, certainly.

I was picturing this way
https://w-dog.net/wallpaper/warhammer-orcs-dwarves-battle-massacre-slaughter-axe-axes-swords-muskets-mountain-castle/id/275103/

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I don't really have a strong opinion either way on dfhacking the aquifer.  I'd rather not see a ton of dfhack easy-way-outs in general, but since most players probably go aquifers off most of the time this one is OK with me. 

edit: Maybe as a house rule you have to have a temple to a god who would have an interest in aquifers (earth, water, fortresses) before you can enact this divine intervention

[jimboo]

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I don't really have a strong opinion either way on dfhacking the aquifer.  I'd rather not see a ton of dfhack easy-way-outs in general, but since most players probably go aquifers off most of the time this one is OK with me. 

edit: Maybe as a house rule you have to have a temple to a god who would have an interest in aquifers (earth, water, fortresses) before you can enact this divine intervention

Your house, your rules.     Previous Temple was a generic one.  This is the Temple of Garem, the Nail of Standards, God of Fortresses and War.  Next to it is the Temple of Uker Beachlake the Moist Ocean, God of Lakes, Coasts and Oceans and, no doubt shown if the screen hadn’t cut off, Aquifers.  Nearly a third of our fortressfolk are Ukerites. 

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Ah, found it --

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