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[smjjames]

Not to mention that in the age of social media and internet, it doesn't take all that much for an idea to propogate like wildfire or to circulate everywhere. It's the same reason that once an image is placed on the internet, it's often extremely hard, if not impossible, to completely remove every single instance of it, especially if it got circulated around. Same thing with ideas, except 1,000x more difficult.

You borked your quote attribution.

i know, I know. Already spotted it.

I forgot how cumbersome it is to post on this site.

I don't find it cumbersome, but things can get tricky when multiple quotes and quote pyramids get involved.

@Lagslayer: For those who were born in Britian, you can't exactly 'send them the way that they came', not without renouncing their citizenship.

[hector13]

That assumes first generation immigrants. What of second generation and beyond? What if they only have citizenship of the "host" country?

[smjjames]

That assumes first generation immigrants. What of second generation and beyond? What if they only have citizenship of the "host" country?

Exactly. Every time the argument 'Lets deport them all to where they came from!' gets used, the fact that you have to deal with the second generation onward comes up every single time, you can't escape that no matter how hard you try.

[Lagslayer]

@Lagslayer: For those who were born in Britian, you can't exactly 'send them the way that they came', not without renouncing their citizenship.

That assumes first generation immigrants. What of second generation and beyond? What if they only have citizenship of the "host" country?

Exactly. Every time the argument 'Lets deport them all to where they came from!' gets used, the fact that you have to deal with the second generation onward comes up every single time, you can't escape that no matter how hard you try.

This is the tricky part. They did not choose to be born here, any more than we chose for them to be born here. Yet, for whatever reason, their way of life is incompatible with ours. There would need to be some sort of repatriation deal with the countries involved, or someone will have to assimilate.


edit: Not that I'm British, because I'm American, but we have similar problems in some places.

[smjjames]

@Lagslayer: For those who were born in Britian, you can't exactly 'send them the way that they came', not without renouncing their citizenship.

That assumes first generation immigrants. What of second generation and beyond? What if they only have citizenship of the "host" country?

Exactly. Every time the argument 'Lets deport them all to where they came from!' gets used, the fact that you have to deal with the second generation onward comes up every single time, you can't escape that no matter how hard you try.

This is the tricky part. They did not choose to be born here, any more than we chose for them to be born here. Yet, for whatever reason, their way of life is incompatible with ours. There would need to be some sort of repatriation deal with the countries involved, or someone will have to assimilate.


edit: Not that I'm British, because I'm American, but we have similar problems in some places.

LOL, I thought you were British, seems like a lot of people may have been assuming the same as well.

But yes, the problems are similar and the root cause is the same.

[smjjames]

In the case of England, yeah, I could see it that way because those who knew the UK as the British Empire, colonies and all, are still alive.

However, for France, their Empire glory days were much longer ago, so, in theory, their population would have gotten over it a couple generations ago.

Though for Europe in general, it seems like patriotism is equated as this: patriotism=nationialism= which eventually leads to = fascism. Germany in particular, for reasons I don't need to state.

The only ones who can really develop an answer for the lack of patriotism are the ones living in those countries since only they can define patriotism as it relates to their own country.

[Lagslayer]

I've been on here way too long as it is, and I'll be leaving for the night. Will check back tomorrow, probably.

[Sheb]

You really gotta admire the courage of people like lagslayer, who are willing to courageously sacrifice the lives of tens of thousands of people they don't know to lower their chance of dying in a terrorist attacks from vanishingly small to vanishingly smaller. I mean, we refuse to face truth, but he's right: it's better to kill a few tens of thousands people today, than to have a handful of people die every year. On the long run, it's the humane thing, we just need to wait a couple millenias, but it's the right thing to do if you arent short-sighted.

[Puzzlemaker]

I wish car accidents were treated like terrorist attacks in the media.  Hey media, by reporting these random attacks you are helping the bad guys.  Not saying you should censor it, but report other deaths on the same level.  Put some of this in context.

[Starver]

No, be fair. Don't compare this incident with vehicle deaths, when you could compare with knife crime.

[Lagslayer]

You really gotta admire the courage of people like lagslayer, who are willing to courageously sacrifice the lives of tens of thousands of people they don't know to lower their chance of dying in a terrorist attacks from vanishingly small to vanishingly smaller. I mean, we refuse to face truth, but he's right: it's better to kill a few tens of thousands people today, than to have a handful of people die every year. On the long run, it's the humane thing, we just need to wait a couple millenias, but it's the right thing to do if you arent short-sighted.

You still think this about mere terrorist attacks? Nevermind that they are coming at an ever increasing pace, but this is about something much bigger. They are being brought in explicitly as demographic replacement. And under international law, that qualifies as genocide of the native inhabitants. Long before that even happens, they will constitute an increasing majority of the voting demographic, as the flow of migration never seems to stop, and they breed so rapidly. This means they can force their laws, the laws of the shitholes they came from, on the natives, via the legal system, which will speed up the process even faster.

And their politicians don't even try to hide it anymore, instead just trying to say it's a good thing to kill off all the Europeans.

[smjjames]

So breed faster

Also, that talk about immigrants replacing the natives being equivalent to genocide is the kind of thing white supremacists like to spout. Not accusing you of being one lagslayer, I'm just saying be careful with that kind of talk. And for the record, I'm white too.

edit: Also, since you're American, lets use an American example. We have a similar sort of issue, if you will, with hispanics and others, minorities will become the majority by 2050 or so, do you see them inflicting their laws on the natives? No.

edit2: And please point to me where it says in international law that doing this qualifies as genocide.

[Lagslayer]

So breed faster

Also, that talk about immigrants replacing the natives being equivalent to genocide is the kind of thing white supremacists like to spout. Not neccesarily accusing you of being one lagslayer, I'm just saying be careful with that kind of talk. And for the record, I'm white too.

edit: Also, since you're American, lets use an American example. We have a similar sort of issue, if you will, with hispanics and others, minorities will become the majority by 2050 or so, do you see them inflicting their laws on the natives? No.

edit2: And please point to me where it says in international law that doing this qualifies as genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide
As for the hispanics, the areas where they are the most numerous have very high levels of crime. While they are not as fanatical as those being brought into Europe, they still bring a considerable chunk of Mexico with them. A hijacking and subsequent change of government policy would be inevitable.

But the numbers just don't add up. I'm not sure what kind of time scale you think this plan has, but if such a plan existed, at current rates it would take centuries for it to actually work. If this was truly an effort to kill off the native population, as you said, there should be a hell of a lot more effort in actually... y'know, killing off the native population. Instead it's 10 people here, 15 there; every time resulting in the arrest or death of the perpetrator. It just makes no sense.

Check the rate of births vs the rate of deaths. It's a game of waiting for the old people to start dying off, then suddenly the entire demographic is flipped on it's head. This could take 2-3 generations to feel the full effect, and you're already feeling huge tremors from the shift.

Also, see the link above.

[Sheb]

Ok, so you don't want to kill Muslims to stop terrorism, you want to kill them to preserve a white ethno-state.

Now I guess the next step in the discussion is you complaining when people call you a nazi.

[smjjames]

So breed faster

Also, that talk about immigrants replacing the natives being equivalent to genocide is the kind of thing white supremacists like to spout. Not neccesarily accusing you of being one lagslayer, I'm just saying be careful with that kind of talk. And for the record, I'm white too.

edit: Also, since you're American, lets use an American example. We have a similar sort of issue, if you will, with hispanics and others, minorities will become the majority by 2050 or so, do you see them inflicting their laws on the natives? No.

edit2: And please point to me where it says in international law that doing this qualifies as genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide
As for the hispanics, the areas where they are the most numerous have very high levels of crime. While they are not as fanatical as those being brought into Europe, they still bring a considerable chunk of Mexico with them. A hijacking and subsequent change of government policy would be inevitable.

Ugh, you're one of those types of people aren't you? Tell me honestly, what are you so afraid of in Mexican culture or Mexico that isn't in American culture or America? Besides the drug problems.

And this completely ignores the fact that we ALREADY have a chunk of Mexico, we took it from them in the 19th century.