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« Reply #285 on: July 07, 2016, 12:32:25 am »

In unrelated news, The Young Turk's coverage of Brexit has made me contemplate obliteration. I've been watching them release videos where they explained how the UK could leave the Euro currency, how David Cameron was a vicious warhawk whilst Corbyn had a mandate of millions, how Nigel Farage was a power hungry conservative politician who was set to become Prime Minister before his resignation...
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I love how TYT have no idea what they're even talking about, it's hilarious.
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« Reply #286 on: July 07, 2016, 06:32:57 am »

In news that isn't related to TYT "news", in the first round of Conservative party elections, it's been made pretty clear that Theresa May will in all likelihood win. A vote for Andrea Leadsom is a vote against the Tory whip, meaning most Tories will remain loyal to the Party and vote for May, especially after Gove made it clear he backed May over Leadsom. To make matters worse, Leadsom has not published her tax returns, whilst Gove and May have published theirs, with Bojo and Osborne out of the picture the only two candidates who have the experience to get shit done are Gove and May, and Gove is politically toxic to the public so it's pretty much just May at this point, with Leadsom as dark horse

Theresa May and Philip Hammond sorting out negotiations would be most agreeable I think to the majority of Remainers and Leavers, cos Hammond and May are both former Remainers and are the first to have doubled down and said the referendum represents a mandate that can't be ignored (instead of saying the referendum must be ignored and overturned) and likewise displayed a spine in front of the public that didn't surmount to either declaring war upon half the UK or the Commission
So bretty good compromise so far

Also the Labour rebels have admitted defeat and said Corbyn has won

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They added: "He is losing support of the membership by the day, there is no doubt about that, but they just sign up new members to replace them. He is Teflon in that sense."

Another Labour source admitted that Mr Corbyn has "dug his heels in" and "isn't going anywhere", adding: "It's grim."

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« Reply #287 on: July 07, 2016, 07:05:29 am »

With Corbyn unremoved, that'd be pressure for whoever-it-is-that-wins to spring an election up, probably. Lest they repeat Brown's error in not calling an election when he had a provably better chance of winning (whether or not the 'bigotgate' was the actual tipping point, when it came). Could persuade party/vote splits at the constituency-level, denaturing Labour totally.

Or maybe they'd want to risk the 'ineffective opposition' lasting until 2020. Don't see it, though. Either Corbyn's long-term people-friendly strategies kick up a gear to increasing aclaim, or the next coup doesn't fail and the dice are up in the air, waiting to roll a new leader that does for the current age what Blair did for the mid-to-late '90s.

(Must check Google Trends over "double down", or a similar resource. It's a phrase I've noticed being used a lot, recently, even though it obviously hasn' t just been invented, unlike Brexit.)
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« Reply #288 on: July 07, 2016, 07:16:52 am »

With Corbyn unremoved, that'd be pressure for whoever-it-is-that-wins to spring an election up, probably. Lest they repeat Brown's error in not calling an election when he had a provably better chance of winning (whether or not the 'bigotgate' was the actual tipping point, when it came). Could persuade party/vote splits at the constituency-level, denaturing Labour totally.
Would probably irreparably destroy labour, but would also stand as a threat for most Conservative politicians who are already being threatened that if they don't vote for Leadsom they'll lose their seats for not supporting a leave campaigner
So unlikely, now is not normal circumstances
For the better to, destruction of labour is not good for long term political security

Or maybe they'd want to risk the 'ineffective opposition' lasting until 2020. Don't see it, though. Either Corbyn's long-term people-friendly strategies kick up a gear to increasing aclaim, or the next coup doesn't fail and the dice are up in the air, waiting to roll a new leader that does for the current age what Blair did for the mid-to-late '90s.
There won't be a next coup for a while, this was pretty much best case scenario for them
80% of their MPs voted to have Corbyn resign, it was on the aftermath of Remain's defeat, Cameron pressuring him to resign, media pressuring him to resign, his party pressuring him to resign - Corbyn was quite clever on this, because by refusing to resign, the Labour party would only be left with one option: Start a leadership contest with a challenger like Angela. However, after they changed the rules to let Labour members vote, Corbyn won the last vote and would undoubtedly win this one as he has not lost the backing of most rank and file members, with Angela not posing a serious threat to him. Thus Labour only stood a chance of unseating him if they avoided a leadership contest, which Corbyn accurate saw, and basically spent the last week going "1v1 me scrubs"
Basically the neoliberal parliamentary faction lost control over their own party

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« Reply #289 on: July 07, 2016, 07:20:46 am »

Which is hilarious, I wonder how they'll fare come election time. Corbyn can't replace all his MPs by loyalist, so for the foresseable future you'll have two different parties uneasily sharing one name.
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« Reply #290 on: July 07, 2016, 07:29:04 am »

Which is hilarious, I wonder how they'll fare come election time. Corbyn can't replace all his MPs by loyalist, so for the foresseable future you'll have two different parties uneasily sharing one name.

They got a LONG time before election time.

In fact this whole "I am retiring" at this point feels like a ploy to put someone who wouldn't have gotten elected into the seat.
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« Reply #291 on: July 07, 2016, 07:35:49 am »

Also, there's a rather interesting article that condemns the cries right now by some that the referendum was wrong and the leave voters were stupid (sorry, 'low information'). Don't agree with all of the points he raises (or at the very least, would like to nuance things) but worth a read/skim at least.
Rereading this thread, I must say this one stuck out to me. Thank you Bernie bants for making low information mainstream terminology

WE LOW INFORMATION LADS WEW

Which is hilarious, I wonder how they'll fare come election time. Corbyn can't replace all his MPs by loyalist, so for the foresseable future you'll have two different parties uneasily sharing one name.
That's not too uncommon, what is is that the minority ideological faction is in charge of the majority ideological faction, but whether the majority ideological faction has a popular mandate is actually unknown until general election, or indeed in areas where neoliberal labour MPs sit atop piles of socialist voters, will the socialist voters be willing to unseat the neoliberals if it threatens labour? Confuzzling mess, the whole thing

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« Reply #292 on: July 07, 2016, 07:39:08 am »

Which is hilarious, I wonder how they'll fare come election time. Corbyn can't replace all his MPs by loyalist, so for the foresseable future you'll have two different parties uneasily sharing one name.
Labour and Labor
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« Reply #293 on: July 07, 2016, 08:27:04 am »

Which is hilarious, I wonder how they'll fare come election time. Corbyn can't replace all his MPs by loyalist, so for the foresseable future you'll have two different parties uneasily sharing one name.
Labour and Labor

New Labour and Labour Classic would be my preferred terms.

I'm not surprised Corbyn managed to survive the attempt to remove him, most of the other MPs in the party are about as popular with their own members as a parasitic larva is with a caterpillar.
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« Reply #294 on: July 07, 2016, 09:33:33 am »

Oh no you don't!
We need you down there taunting the arab world. If all Jews move to the US who knows what them silly moose limbs will claim ownership to next... Al-Andalus might be next and the US already has enough Hispanics.
I remember that one Gadaffi speech in the Arab League where he was all "Muslims have never unlawfully invaded or occupied any lands. Except Al-Andalus, we have never"
So Spain is safe, until Catalonia strikes
Great so Spain is safe from Gadaffi.
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« Reply #295 on: July 07, 2016, 11:16:16 am »

Great so Spain is safe from Gadaffi.
WHAT A RELIEF!
Was, now Gadaffi is kill and make album with tupac in Kosovo

Britain wasn't the same place 50 years ago, yet alone 100 years ago.
This idea that Britain with a China town being any less British then a Britain without is ridiculous.

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« Reply #296 on: July 07, 2016, 01:32:32 pm »

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« Reply #297 on: July 07, 2016, 01:54:23 pm »

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I hope this goes at some length to explaining what is being lost as enrichment is gained

Well... Nothing.

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As for "I am not British anymore" it is USUALLY just a sign that they are dissatisfied as well as the fact that Britain is no longer a "Patriotism" ruled country (like most).

Since your statistics doesn't give a reason.

Edit: Put it in a spoiler... Sorry I am just kind of pissed off a bit xD
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« Reply #298 on: July 07, 2016, 03:16:04 pm »

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Edit: Put it in a spoiler... Sorry I am just kind of pissed off a bit xD
You actually seem rather chill, so no worries

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« Reply #299 on: July 07, 2016, 03:24:09 pm »

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It's not sustainable to deny reality m8

The reality IS that it is racism. Both articles you linked outright spell it out.

Now one could say that it failed because they are TOO racist and this is too quick for their culture to adjust. Yet that isn't the main arguments being presented here.

So yeah... I am sticking to "Multiculturalism has failed" seems to be either a racist statement or is an acknowledgement of racism in the system.

>_<

Then again I knew this problem in Britain for a VERY long time... and it isn't going away.
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