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Random_Dragon

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1875 on: June 02, 2017, 12:33:33 am »

Yeah, that's fixed now.  The kobolds you did see were probably in an army patrol (which is why you could find them) so would not be hireable.

Problem is the second scenario I'm mentioning is related to modding-related shenanigans (there wouldn't even BE soldiers to try and recruit in vanilla), so I won't really know how this behaves until the update hits.

Regardless, interesting to see answers.

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« Reply #1876 on: June 03, 2017, 09:02:24 am »

Quote from: threetoe
Soon kobold hives will be added to the game.  Poisonous spiders and reptiles are used as pets and to poison traps!  Can you fight your way to the egg chamber and recover the stolen artifacts?

This struck me as very interesting from the report, though its hard to discern the thin line where we could ever really speculate.

The former part of reponse obviously mentions using poisons but in general by the next release, will additional 'emissions' such as poisons, blood and sweat (the last two probably situtional to the creature, dragon blood is extremely hot) have more of a purpose for existing upon the import and trading screen, given that copious amounts of honeybee poison is more useful than gremlin tears (unless gremlin tears is used in a specific way possibly related to magic)

Tangental additional question, how do you propose to harvest emissions from monsters that cannot be tamed without first encouraging players to either mod around the problem or somehow scooping reagents off the floor (as to say it spat its poison or dustcloud at you)

> Melting gnomes in gnomeblight coated swords, purposefully applied or throwing captive gnomes into gnome blight tipped trap pits. Looking foward to it.

From the second latter half of the response, does this imply that the kobold caves follow more rules on how to manage egg laying populations, and is this behaviour only doable on cave sites, or will however its implemented (eggboxes? special citizen laying beds) be applicable to all races in all sites?

A very informative devlog & report is very nice to see and a treat for those who follow your progress.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2017, 10:39:02 am by FantasticDorf »
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« Reply #1877 on: June 03, 2017, 03:10:17 pm »

How does Attacking other Civs for Artifacts work exactly? Especially regarding military strenght what happens if i send out a Candy Brigade of Top notch warriors into for example a human Kingdom to steal theior Artifact crown of their king, how does the combat play out? do the Candy warriors destroy the enemy if they don't have equally good troops or does it not matter what kind of Dwarf i send out? i looked around a bit and could not find a explenation how this feature exactly works out.
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« Reply #1878 on: June 03, 2017, 04:07:05 pm »

How does Attacking other Civs for Artifacts work exactly? Especially regarding military strenght what happens if i send out a Candy Brigade of Top notch warriors into for example a human Kingdom to steal theior Artifact crown of their king, how does the combat play out? do the Candy warriors destroy the enemy if they don't have equally good troops or does it not matter what kind of Dwarf i send out? i looked around a bit and could not find a explenation how this feature exactly works out.
If the question was aimed at Toady, the convention is that you paint it in (lime) green so he can find it when answering.
If I remember correctly, earlier answers have indicated equipment, troop quality, and troop quantity all play a role. However, the dorfs will almost always be significantly outnumbered, so it's not going to be a regular invasion.
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« Reply #1879 on: June 03, 2017, 05:19:35 pm »

How does Attacking other Civs for Artifacts work exactly? Especially regarding military strenght what happens if i send out a Candy Brigade of Top notch warriors into for example a human Kingdom to steal theior Artifact crown of their king, how does the combat play out? do the Candy warriors destroy the enemy if they don't have equally good troops or does it not matter what kind of Dwarf i send out? i looked around a bit and could not find a explenation how this feature exactly works out.
Someone already asked that, Toady mentioned that equipment and skill matters. My internet is super slow at the moment otherwise I would try to find you the quote from one of his replies in here.
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Shonai_Dweller

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« Reply #1880 on: June 03, 2017, 05:47:04 pm »

Also bear in mind that for the most part dorfs are smart enough to know that a ten man squad isn't going to last long in a frontal attack on a dark fortress, population 10,000, so they'll almost certainly go for the sneak in and steal option. Unlike everyone else, we don't yet have access to armies to support our diplomatic efforts.

And yeah, there's something around here somewhere where Toady mentions that equipment will matter in any fights that take place. Can't seem to locate it right now.
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Bainin

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« Reply #1881 on: June 03, 2017, 05:54:20 pm »

Intressting thx for the info but im satified with these answers^^ and thx for the heads up, il keep it in mind next time.
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« Reply #1882 on: June 06, 2017, 08:32:43 pm »

Will I be able to hire people to find artifacts for me in Adventure mode?

*edit* Sorry forgot about the green :P
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 08:36:50 am by CptAWatts22 »
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1883 on: June 06, 2017, 08:34:17 pm »

Will I be able to hire people to find artifacts for me in Adventure mode?

Lime green is your friiiieeend. Like this.

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« Reply #1884 on: June 06, 2017, 09:46:19 pm »

Will I be able to hire people to find artifacts for me in Adventure mode?

Nothing has been said about this but I think it's doubtful, depending on how you define "hire". If you want to pay actual coins so that somebody might bring you a trinket, it hasn't been mentioned and won't probably happen until we have a well defined economy that makes sense of that transaction.

However, if what you want is to bring along people in your search for an artifact, just like you ask people to guide you to a place or become performance buddies, then it sounds reasonable enough.
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my first quest was to seige a nemacrcors tower i killed 3 nemacrcors the got killed by a zombie fly.
How on earth did you manage to do that twice?

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« Reply #1885 on: June 06, 2017, 10:04:23 pm »

I guess the idea is, as an adventurer you're the squad being sent out to fetch artifacts. Or the mercenary who has to pick up quests for artifacts in town like all the npc questers. You also get to play the spy too trying to root out artifacts with your fake identities.
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« Reply #1886 on: June 07, 2017, 02:49:56 am »

Will I be able to hire people to find artifacts for me in Adventure mode?

Lime green is your friiiieeend. Like this.
What Random_Dragon says, in a rather obscure manner, is that the forum convention is that questions aimed at Toady are marked in (lime) green to allow him to find them when answering at the beginning of each month. If your question was aimed at Toady you can just modify your existing post to add the color to it rather than writing a new one.
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CptAWatts22

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« Reply #1887 on: June 07, 2017, 08:40:07 am »

Yeah I forgot, it was late :P. The answers I got make sense, I just wasn't sure if he had mentioned it yet. It would make having a base more interesting too.
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« Reply #1888 on: June 07, 2017, 04:28:11 pm »

Yeah I forgot, it was late :P. The answers I got make sense, I just wasn't sure if he had mentioned it yet. It would make having a base more interesting too.
Now then drunks, listen up. Cut down 30 trees. Build a hut. Set-up a workshop. Now go steal me Crestfallen the Sacred Bone of Knowing. This wondrous object was last seen in the Mires of Hellfire. Giant Elephants roam free out there!

Yeah, that would be kind of fun.
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« Reply #1889 on: June 08, 2017, 12:16:19 am »

You state that Maps, sites, entities, historical figures, artifacts, myths, etc. will be part of the myth and magic update.
Does 'sites' include more natural sites? I'm referring to an extension beyond the current mountain peaks and volcanos as to include things like stone pillars, groves or tar pits.
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