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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress  (Read 863613 times)

Eric Blank

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #405 on: August 11, 2016, 01:17:33 am »

Will entities who treasure an artifact they don't have in their possession at the moment take it personally if the player comes along and grabs it before they can?

Will individuals be upset if you have an artifact they want?

Will they recognize artifact theft? If you steal an artifact out of their site, will they despise you for it or come after you now, or will that have to wait until the law & thieving update down the line?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #406 on: August 11, 2016, 03:33:43 pm »

How do things become holy relics in world generation? Is each religious figure restricted to one artifact in their lifetime/after they're butchered? Can someone lose a pinky in life, become deserving of a relic later, and then their pinky bone is the relic or are they always constructed at someone's death? Can heirlooms or crafted artifacts become holy relics later on? Can holy relics become heirlooms for another entity? Will adventurers be able to create or influence the creation of holy relics? Will forts be able to produce holy relics if they have especially prominent temples, and would that have to wait until start scenarios?

Will adventurers always be able to tell the accurate quality of items at shops/held by others? Will the appraiser skill or the relevant crafting skill affect things? Will merchants ever try to claim an object is of better quality or made of better materials than it actually is? Will people ever claim something is a fake relic or fake artifact? Will people ever be able to try passing pyrite off as gold ore?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #407 on: August 12, 2016, 09:12:23 am »

Toady has been on the trend of ever expanding Adventurer interactions, so it seems reasonable that appraisal may make it, eventually. But with many "eventually" items, Sounds good, No timeline.

Where I expect to see this type of behavior, as well as the forgeries, counterfeit goods, false quality claims, etc would be once economy is up and going and/or further development of the Thief and Law arcs.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #408 on: August 12, 2016, 05:45:24 pm »

If you're playing adventurer mode and you come across an artifact, will you automatically know it's name, or will it just be a "masterwork leather throng" until you identify it somehow?

It could be interesting if the player raids some ancient abandoned fortress and picks up what they think is some random loot, only to meet a dwarf on the road who can identify what it really is.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #409 on: August 12, 2016, 11:24:07 pm »

If you're playing adventurer mode and you come across an artifact, will you automatically know it's name, or will it just be a "masterwork leather throng" until you identify it somehow?

It could be interesting if the player raids some ancient abandoned fortress and picks up what they think is some random loot, only to meet a dwarf on the road who can identify what it really is.
Appraisal skill could come in handy there. Otherwise the treasure hunter role is going to be reduced to hauling around piles of junk in the hopes of finding something neat. Indiana Jones knows an artifact cup when he sees one, as should experienced DF treasure hunters.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #410 on: August 13, 2016, 04:26:24 pm »

The whole hidden or imprecise knowledge thing is really interesting. We have some already like the setting that hides undiscovered history. Wrong maps and the like have been mentioned previously. From what I remember they have to get the underlying simulation working decently before having people misinterpret it. One extreme example of the player getting perfect knowledge is the combat with it's diagnostic level of detail. Imagine if the description was tied to your skills.

Indiana Jones knows an artifact cup when he sees one, as should experienced DF treasure hunters.
In fairness he had a whole lot of knowledge about the related myths. On face value a dwarven appraiser would pay little for that cup, as much as it'd upset the elves. Would be interesting if you had to do some library visiting and identify markings/inscriptions etc, would allow for scenes like that in the film. Makes me wish for adventurous Indy-like historian scholars petitioning to go off after some read about doodad.
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« Reply #411 on: August 13, 2016, 04:39:43 pm »

Weapons, jewelry, and others kinds of artifacts that can be worn will be effectively worn by its owners? And furniture artifacts, will they be used? Or will they all be kept safe somewhere, or displayed? Maybe it will depend from owner to owner or situation to situation?
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« Reply #412 on: August 13, 2016, 08:06:58 pm »

Weapons, jewelry, and others kinds of artifacts that can be worn will be effectively worn by its owners? And furniture artifacts, will they be used? Or will they all be kept safe somewhere, or displayed? Maybe it will depend from owner to owner or situation to situation?

In related vein, will crowns and scepters be properly used by their owners?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #413 on: August 14, 2016, 01:41:18 am »

I bet not. This release, so far, is about world gen, and adventure mode and fort mode recognizing and making goals that their artifacts. Not that their also other objects.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #414 on: August 14, 2016, 03:58:30 am »

I bet not. This release, so far, is about world gen, and adventure mode and fort mode recognizing and making goals that their artifacts. Not that their also other objects.
But it might happen naturally if Toady wants the game to recognise that an artifact crown's 'proper storage location' according to civ A is "on the head of the king". In which case he'd probably need to clean up crown and scepter usage a little.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #415 on: August 14, 2016, 08:42:56 am »

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #416 on: August 14, 2016, 09:08:26 am »

I bet not. This release, so far, is about world gen, and adventure mode and fort mode recognizing and making goals that their artifacts. Not that their also other objects.
But it might happen naturally if Toady wants the game to recognise that an artifact crown's 'proper storage location' according to civ A is "on the head of the king". In which case he'd probably need to clean up crown and scepter usage a little.
There can be more than one artifact crown in a civ.  Reminds me of a book I just read to my son, Caps for Sale.
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« Reply #417 on: August 16, 2016, 11:51:25 pm »

So will the display cabinets and pedestals get their own zone, like statue gardens? And if so will dorfs actually go there? It seems like they lost interest in hanging out at statue gardens, dining rooms and zoos when the taverns release hit.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #418 on: August 17, 2016, 12:04:50 am »

So will the display cabinets and pedestals get their own zone, like statue gardens? And if so will dorfs actually go there? It seems like they lost interest in hanging out at statue gardens, dining rooms and zoos when the taverns release hit.
I think they'll more then have the ability, but a typical dorf fortress population may not be that inclined.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #419 on: August 17, 2016, 06:02:00 am »

So will the display cabinets and pedestals get their own zone, like statue gardens? And if so will dorfs actually go there? It seems like they lost interest in hanging out at statue gardens, dining rooms and zoos when the taverns release hit.
I think they'll more then have the ability, but a typical dorf fortress population may not be that inclined.

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