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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #465 on: August 22, 2016, 11:30:14 am »

What are the exact benefits of being focused? What sort of penalties does the game inflict on dwarves and adventurers that are unfocused? (besides from the negative thought)
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #466 on: August 22, 2016, 11:40:44 am »

What are the exact benefits of being focused? What sort of penalties does the game inflict on dwarves and adventurers that are unfocused? (besides from the negative thought)

It would be nice to get confirmnation from Toady what that does, yes. I've heard others that that being filled with determination focused affects rate of experience gain like in CDDA, while others have suggested buffs to general skill rolls.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #467 on: August 22, 2016, 11:41:30 am »

I've heard it makes you much more accurate.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #468 on: August 22, 2016, 11:47:29 am »

That's what I meant by buffs, though I'm not sure if that means JUST combat accuracy, or skill rolls in general (and skills are important for hitting enemies).

But I'm also thinking very high odds that whoever first said that saw "focused" and assumed it meant how focused on a target you are, so I have no way of knowing how true that hypothesis is. :V
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #469 on: August 22, 2016, 12:14:51 pm »

Does the "socialize" activity develop dwarves' relationships and skills?

Will there be more social activities besides storytelling and performing in the future?

Any plans for other decorational furniture besides display cases?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #470 on: August 22, 2016, 01:50:10 pm »

Does the "socialize" activity develop dwarves' relationships and skills?

Will there be more social activities besides storytelling and performing in the future?

Any plans for other decorational furniture besides display cases?


First one is the only actual question. Before the current "social" version (i.e. 0.34) idling dwarves were able to polish their flattering, lying and comforting skills, among others, when they were mingling together, and I'm sure that feature hasn't been scraped since then. So yes, their social skills get a raise when they socialize, although I believe is a really small increase. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The second and third are not Future of the Fortress questions, they resemble something more like suggestions and unscheduled features: yes to both, no timeline available. That also applies to your unanswered priest question from the previous page.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #471 on: August 22, 2016, 01:55:48 pm »

The second and third are not Future of the Fortress questions, they resemble something more like suggestions and unscheduled features: yes to both, no timeline available. That also applies to your unanswered priest question from the previous page.

Asking Toady whether he has plans regarding an impending feature is suggestion-ish, but still useful if it provokes input regarding the dev's to-do list.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #472 on: August 22, 2016, 05:12:10 pm »

The second and third are not Future of the Fortress questions, they resemble something more like suggestions and unscheduled features: yes to both, no timeline available. That also applies to your unanswered priest question from the previous page.

Asking Toady whether he has plans regarding an impending feature is suggestion-ish, but still useful if it provokes input regarding the dev's to-do list.
Which is specifically what the suggestion forum does. Everything there goes on Toady's list. A month or two back he specifically said that stuff suggested here is more likely to be lost.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #473 on: August 22, 2016, 06:33:17 pm »

True. It would be better to ask what Toady's next plans are regarding the impending features that would support those ideas, and make the suggestion proper in the suggestions section.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #474 on: August 22, 2016, 06:37:33 pm »

True. It would be better to ask what Toady's next plans are regarding the impending features that would support those ideas, and make the suggestion proper in the suggestions section.
Occasionally a Suggestion thread gets to the point where a FOTF question is appropriate.  "We have a lively thread going in the Suggestion forum about restocking aquatic creatures in the caverns, but it has polarized into a debate over whether a tree that falls in a forest with no one around to hear it makes a sound or not..."
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #475 on: August 22, 2016, 06:52:44 pm »

Trees don't make sounds unless they have [utterances].
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #476 on: August 22, 2016, 07:28:30 pm »

Plus, it does serve the purpose of trying to probe some info out of Toady, which makes it better than some ways to ask about those ideas.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #477 on: August 22, 2016, 07:47:06 pm »

What are the exact benefits of being focused? What sort of penalties does the game inflict on dwarves and adventurers that are unfocused? (besides from the negative thought)
Using dfhack with a superskilled adventurer being Focused! raised my base accuracy with the same attack on the same target at the same difficult/square target from 13k > 23k, being Distracted dropped me to 9k. There is some amount of skill roll success rate but I couldn't track down where to quantify it exactly, but it feels like it is a similar size effect, call it -25% to +75%?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #478 on: August 22, 2016, 08:10:05 pm »

Using dfhack with a superskilled adventurer being Focused! raised my base accuracy with the same attack on the same target at the same difficult/square target from 13k > 23k, being Distracted dropped me to 9k. There is some amount of skill roll success rate but I couldn't track down where to quantify it exactly, but it feels like it is a similar size effect, call it -25% to +75%?

Wow. That...is surprising. Can you get ahold of EXP counts to see whether the "experience gain rate" hypothesis is also correct?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #479 on: August 22, 2016, 09:25:18 pm »

Not yet, don't have a working dfhack install atm, but I didn't notice any exp gain effect offhand. Still be nice to see if there is anything less obvious we missed though.
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