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Shonai_Dweller

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2805 on: November 26, 2017, 07:44:05 pm »

So, visitors are jumping the gun a little and turning up before you have a tavern/temple right now due to some bug or whatever. That's fine, and I guess you're working on a fix. But my question is, are the early monster slayers also part of this bug? I kind of like that they show up early. I can't imagine monster hunters requiring a room in a tavern before they march off happily into your caverns. Bunch of dwarves about to strike the earth? Can only result in the kind of Fun a monster slayer lives for!
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2806 on: November 26, 2017, 08:18:29 pm »

It's suspected currently that these visitors are actually exclusively spies.

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« Reply #2807 on: November 26, 2017, 08:55:08 pm »

I've had true monster hunters show up soon after I broke open the caverns, petition and hunt in the caverns, so I think anyone that doesn't petition is a spy, but if they do they aren't.
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« Reply #2808 on: November 26, 2017, 09:52:40 pm »

It's suspected currently that these visitors are actually exclusively spies.
They're not. You only have to open Legends to check that. Some are spies, some aren't. And yeah, real monster hunters petition right away, so I'm hoping that's WAD.
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« Reply #2809 on: November 28, 2017, 07:32:19 am »

Sorry if this has been asked before.
Are there currently any plans to allow civs to go to war with one another over values, rather than only over ethics? This would allow for civs from the same entity raw to go to war with one another. For example humans fighting other humans, which now can only be done by adding a new human entity raw.
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« Reply #2810 on: November 28, 2017, 07:39:41 am »

Sorry if this has been asked before.
Are there currently any plans to allow civs to go to war with one another over values, rather than only over ethics? This would allow for civs from the same entity raw to go to war with one another. For example humans fighting other humans, which now can only be done by adding a new human entity raw.

Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.
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« Reply #2811 on: November 28, 2017, 10:12:35 am »


Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2812 on: November 28, 2017, 10:15:44 am »


Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.

Artifact hijinks happen during worldgen, too.
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« Reply #2813 on: November 28, 2017, 10:32:46 am »


Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.
Humans go to war against each other frequently during world gen, while elves don't seem to do so.
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« Reply #2814 on: November 28, 2017, 12:02:56 pm »

Humans go to war against each other frequently during world gen, while elves don't seem to do so.

I don't mean the within civ entities warring against one another, I know those do. I'm talking full on human nation vs human nation warfare. If you can show me an example of that happening in a vanilla game, please show me.
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« Reply #2815 on: November 28, 2017, 12:11:17 pm »

I haven't checked the entity level at which human fight each other, so I may have seen lower level fighting only.
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« Reply #2816 on: November 28, 2017, 04:02:38 pm »

Yeah, you're right, I don't think I've seen a full-scale civ war between two civs of the same race. But the minor wars prove there's more than just ethics checks going on.

But, like I said, this version has artifact claims and you can certainty provoke full scale dwarf on dwarf action manually. Have to check Legends more to see if it happens in worldgen now.
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« Reply #2817 on: November 28, 2017, 07:07:33 pm »

Oh yea definitely, this update is definitely a step towards more diverse reasons for war as well. I hope with the mythics release religion will start playing a role in it too. But I think using values as a check for war would be interesting especially in humans civs as its varied per civs, it won't do much for dwarves that have fixed values per civ for example.
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« Reply #2818 on: November 28, 2017, 07:13:57 pm »

Oh yea definitely, this update is definitely a step towards more diverse reasons for war as well. I hope with the mythics release religion will start playing a role in it too. But I think using values as a check for war would be interesting especially in humans civs as its varied per civs, it won't do much for dwarves that have fixed values per civ for example.
A warlike leader effects wars too apparently, so I think there's definitely some value checking going on even if it's just at a personal level (and values range quite a bit from person to person, so that makes more sense).
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« Reply #2819 on: November 28, 2017, 09:00:38 pm »

Thjere has been a rather active thread on here recently about "the importance of prejudice", while related my question isn't about it exactly. Will we ever get towns that simply don't like strangers in general and will express that? A lot of good stories come from those sorts of villages/towns in fantasy. And in horror (eg, the shadow over innsmouth by hp Lovecraft)
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