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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8175 on: October 20, 2016, 09:34:16 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.

Most primaries are either a clusterfuck or a cleared field, we've seen both in this election, but they were both unusual. The Sanders bloc was very ferocious for a cleared field, and, well....Trump.
That sounds undemocratic.
If you don't vote, you can't complain. That's just the start and end of it. More people should vote in the primaries, but the fact is that they don't.

Even a mandatory voting law wouldn't change that, since the parties are unintegrated as government entities and it would provide weird clusterfuck scenarios with indie candidates.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8176 on: October 20, 2016, 09:35:00 pm »

That sounds undemocratic.

America is undemocratic. Well, it's vaguely Democratic. Better than China or Russia, worse than most other western nations. Unless there's such a thing as "Democratic Oligarchy?"
Yes, it's called a Republic.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8177 on: October 20, 2016, 09:35:58 pm »

You know, Clinton also has supporters that are likely incensed and fervent enough to cause violence. Hell, even Sanders probably has/had them. It's just a question of blame.
sure man. gotta bring up clinton every time you post, I understand. But consider: Boobs?

Everything is relative, except maybe the appeal of boobs. But even then you have your gay men out there and your asexuals and what not. So I want to say "eating". People like eating. And if you don't, ya die. Simple as that. Everyone supports the pro-eating agenda.
That sounds undemocratic.

America is undemocratic. Well, it's vaguely Democratic. Better than China or Russia, worse than most other western nations. Unless there's such a thing as "Democratic Oligarchy?"
i wonder when, precisely, you decided that going into Ameripol and just bashing the country, bringing up random stuff, saying controversial stuff and ignoring most of the responses, and just in general acting like you know better sounded like a fun Thursday night to you.

I mean your doubleposting now for chrissakes. Just edit your comment like I do.
If you don't vote, you can't complain. That's just the start and end of it. More people should vote in the primaries, but the fact is that they don't.
Foreigners, despite claims to the contrary, cannot vote in US elections.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8178 on: October 20, 2016, 09:39:13 pm »

I feel obligated to bring up anti-Clinton stuff just about every post because, while I hate her and Donald Trump relatively equally (probably Clinton a bit more) there are people here who think she's greaaat, while there's no one like that for Trump.

Pretty interesting.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8179 on: October 20, 2016, 09:41:08 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat.

The "darling" faced unrelenting negative coverage for the past year.  Except for Donald Trump, I dont think any candidate in the television era has faced such negativity.  The media routinely made baseless accusations against her (such as influence peddling at the Clinton Foundation) and never clarified that they were wrong when the facts came to light.  Even twenty days before the election I doubt the majority of americans have heard of her very broadly popular policy ideas.

Pretty interesting.

You and I seem to be operating on very different definitions of "interesting".
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8180 on: October 20, 2016, 09:41:39 pm »

I feel obligated to bring up anti-Clinton stuff just about every post because, while I hate her and Donald Trump relatively equally (probably Clinton a bit more) there are people here who think she's greaaat, while there's no one like that for Trump.

Pretty interesting.

Because Hillary Clinton actually has a history of doing a good job...

And Trump's entire history is of being basically a cartoon villain. He is the poster boy for making money no matter the cost to human lives.

The only reason why Trump isn't immediately thrown out is because the USA is enamored with the Rich. They perceive Trump's wealth as a sign that his success could rub off on the entire USA... When his wealth was earned through very unscrupulous methods and his business skills are considered suspect at best.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8181 on: October 20, 2016, 09:43:57 pm »

And if you don't, ya die. Simple as that. Everyone supports the pro-eating agenda.
my thing is "dude touch their butt" because Everyone Has A Butt
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8182 on: October 20, 2016, 09:44:03 pm »

This question of "is America a democracy" is always flooded by dumb Fun Fact answers that do not have any real grasp of anything besides the desire to try and trip other people up.

Is America a democracy? Yes. A democracy is any government where the mass vote of the population is used, and it is used in America, as the selection of our representatives and sometimes for referendum. As such, it is 100% true to say that America is both a direct democracy and a representative democracy.

America is also a federal state, a republic, and a judiciary.

The real question about a nation is almost never about what it is, but how well its processes are carried out. Almost every nation on Earth features voting and legislative bodies. The actual degree of free elections and legal stability are what really changes.

A nation like Saudi Arabia is two or three major legal shifts from having the same damn government as the United Kingdom.
Foreigners, despite claims to the contrary, cannot vote in US elections.
Foreigners have a limited justification for complaint. As they do not live in America, do not experience American culture (as it truly is, not the international spread), and almost never have realistic conceptions of what the whole deal is the world would be a better place if they listened more and made uninformed judgments less. I also recognize this in turn, i.e. I am against Putin and United Russia's stranglehold as a whole, but will also listen to the perspectives of actual Russians instead of declaring their country and people the world's festering pit of darkness.

The people who really have it good are American minors, since they can justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail but are unable to vote and so are never in the circumstance of complaining about something they should have participated in.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8183 on: October 20, 2016, 09:45:49 pm »

justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail

The american dream is real.  :P
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« Reply #8184 on: October 20, 2016, 09:46:13 pm »

justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail

The american dream is real.  :P

Of course it is real :P it is a dream.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8185 on: October 20, 2016, 09:49:43 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

The "darling" faced unrelenting negative coverage for the past year.  Except for Donald Trump, I dont think any candidate in the television era has faced such negativity.
Hey now, I'm pretty sure it's been longer than just the past year.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8186 on: October 20, 2016, 09:53:19 pm »

Hey now, I'm pretty sure it's been longer than just the past year.

Back around the Bengazi hearings there was still a semblance of balance.  The press was reporting the events instead of saying everything that showed their last round of reporting was shit just "raised new questions".  That was why when the republicans blatantly overplayed their hand Clinton was able to win a round back then.  These days she is assumed guilty on all things emails no matter what.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8187 on: October 20, 2016, 09:56:03 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton. Hillary was so favored it wasn't even funny. also maybe a bit of fraud and astroturfing but we don't acknowledge those round these parts.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8188 on: October 20, 2016, 09:59:17 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton. Hillary was so favored it wasn't even funny. also maybe a bit of fraud and astroturfing but we don't acknowledge those round these parts.

Might have to do with the fact that she was the presidential candidate before...

And as always she was the most popular... until she actually ran.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8189 on: October 20, 2016, 10:02:09 pm »

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton.

Yeah that explains why he did so well in New York.  As soon as people started taking him seriously you could see a real change in the numbers.
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