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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7980 on: October 20, 2016, 09:22:12 pm »

You know, Clinton also has supporters that are likely incensed and fervent enough to cause violence. Hell, even Sanders probably has/had them. It's just a question of blame.
uh yeah, both sides have violent people.  And racists, and sex offenders, and flat earthers, and octogenarians...

Trump has more violent and racist ones though.  Which isn't something to judge him on (judge his violent racist rhetoric instead)...  It's just something to be realistic about.

He probably has more flat earthers too but I haven't seen the data on that.  I still can't believe that's a real thing people believe.

To be fair though I am desperately hoping that the Hillsborough firebomb wasn't liberals.  Probably was, realistically.  At least they didn't hurt anyone.
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« Reply #7981 on: October 20, 2016, 09:26:08 pm »

What was the appeal of the candidates in the run-up to the primaries? If people don't like them, why promote them?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7982 on: October 20, 2016, 09:27:18 pm »

The primaries are skewed populations, because only about a tenth of voters actually bother, as opposed to half for the election.
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« Reply #7983 on: October 20, 2016, 09:28:57 pm »

That sounds undemocratic.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7984 on: October 20, 2016, 09:29:15 pm »

also  Clinton had maaaasssiive unfair advantages in her primary but the people here don't like to hear about it
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« Reply #7985 on: October 20, 2016, 09:30:04 pm »

That sounds undemocratic.

America is undemocratic. Well, it's vaguely Democratic. Better than China or Russia, worse than most other western nations. Unless there's such a thing as "Democratic Oligarchy?"
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« Reply #7986 on: October 20, 2016, 09:34:16 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.

Most primaries are either a clusterfuck or a cleared field, we've seen both in this election, but they were both unusual. The Sanders bloc was very ferocious for a cleared field, and, well....Trump.
That sounds undemocratic.
If you don't vote, you can't complain. That's just the start and end of it. More people should vote in the primaries, but the fact is that they don't.

Even a mandatory voting law wouldn't change that, since the parties are unintegrated as government entities and it would provide weird clusterfuck scenarios with indie candidates.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7987 on: October 20, 2016, 09:35:00 pm »

That sounds undemocratic.

America is undemocratic. Well, it's vaguely Democratic. Better than China or Russia, worse than most other western nations. Unless there's such a thing as "Democratic Oligarchy?"
Yes, it's called a Republic.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7988 on: October 20, 2016, 09:35:58 pm »

You know, Clinton also has supporters that are likely incensed and fervent enough to cause violence. Hell, even Sanders probably has/had them. It's just a question of blame.
sure man. gotta bring up clinton every time you post, I understand. But consider: Boobs?

Everything is relative, except maybe the appeal of boobs. But even then you have your gay men out there and your asexuals and what not. So I want to say "eating". People like eating. And if you don't, ya die. Simple as that. Everyone supports the pro-eating agenda.
That sounds undemocratic.

America is undemocratic. Well, it's vaguely Democratic. Better than China or Russia, worse than most other western nations. Unless there's such a thing as "Democratic Oligarchy?"
i wonder when, precisely, you decided that going into Ameripol and just bashing the country, bringing up random stuff, saying controversial stuff and ignoring most of the responses, and just in general acting like you know better sounded like a fun Thursday night to you.

I mean your doubleposting now for chrissakes. Just edit your comment like I do.
If you don't vote, you can't complain. That's just the start and end of it. More people should vote in the primaries, but the fact is that they don't.
Foreigners, despite claims to the contrary, cannot vote in US elections.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7989 on: October 20, 2016, 09:39:13 pm »

I feel obligated to bring up anti-Clinton stuff just about every post because, while I hate her and Donald Trump relatively equally (probably Clinton a bit more) there are people here who think she's greaaat, while there's no one like that for Trump.

Pretty interesting.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7990 on: October 20, 2016, 09:41:08 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat.

The "darling" faced unrelenting negative coverage for the past year.  Except for Donald Trump, I dont think any candidate in the television era has faced such negativity.  The media routinely made baseless accusations against her (such as influence peddling at the Clinton Foundation) and never clarified that they were wrong when the facts came to light.  Even twenty days before the election I doubt the majority of americans have heard of her very broadly popular policy ideas.

Pretty interesting.

You and I seem to be operating on very different definitions of "interesting".
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« Reply #7991 on: October 20, 2016, 09:41:39 pm »

I feel obligated to bring up anti-Clinton stuff just about every post because, while I hate her and Donald Trump relatively equally (probably Clinton a bit more) there are people here who think she's greaaat, while there's no one like that for Trump.

Pretty interesting.

Because Hillary Clinton actually has a history of doing a good job...

And Trump's entire history is of being basically a cartoon villain. He is the poster boy for making money no matter the cost to human lives.

The only reason why Trump isn't immediately thrown out is because the USA is enamored with the Rich. They perceive Trump's wealth as a sign that his success could rub off on the entire USA... When his wealth was earned through very unscrupulous methods and his business skills are considered suspect at best.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7992 on: October 20, 2016, 09:43:57 pm »

And if you don't, ya die. Simple as that. Everyone supports the pro-eating agenda.
my thing is "dude touch their butt" because Everyone Has A Butt
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7993 on: October 20, 2016, 09:44:03 pm »

This question of "is America a democracy" is always flooded by dumb Fun Fact answers that do not have any real grasp of anything besides the desire to try and trip other people up.

Is America a democracy? Yes. A democracy is any government where the mass vote of the population is used, and it is used in America, as the selection of our representatives and sometimes for referendum. As such, it is 100% true to say that America is both a direct democracy and a representative democracy.

America is also a federal state, a republic, and a judiciary.

The real question about a nation is almost never about what it is, but how well its processes are carried out. Almost every nation on Earth features voting and legislative bodies. The actual degree of free elections and legal stability are what really changes.

A nation like Saudi Arabia is two or three major legal shifts from having the same damn government as the United Kingdom.
Foreigners, despite claims to the contrary, cannot vote in US elections.
Foreigners have a limited justification for complaint. As they do not live in America, do not experience American culture (as it truly is, not the international spread), and almost never have realistic conceptions of what the whole deal is the world would be a better place if they listened more and made uninformed judgments less. I also recognize this in turn, i.e. I am against Putin and United Russia's stranglehold as a whole, but will also listen to the perspectives of actual Russians instead of declaring their country and people the world's festering pit of darkness.

The people who really have it good are American minors, since they can justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail but are unable to vote and so are never in the circumstance of complaining about something they should have participated in.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7994 on: October 20, 2016, 09:45:49 pm »

justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail

The american dream is real.  :P
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