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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8235 on: October 20, 2016, 09:45:49 pm »

justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail

The american dream is real.  :P
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8236 on: October 20, 2016, 09:46:13 pm »

justify complaining in all circumstances and to great detail

The american dream is real.  :P

Of course it is real :P it is a dream.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8237 on: October 20, 2016, 09:49:43 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

The "darling" faced unrelenting negative coverage for the past year.  Except for Donald Trump, I dont think any candidate in the television era has faced such negativity.
Hey now, I'm pretty sure it's been longer than just the past year.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8238 on: October 20, 2016, 09:53:19 pm »

Hey now, I'm pretty sure it's been longer than just the past year.

Back around the Bengazi hearings there was still a semblance of balance.  The press was reporting the events instead of saying everything that showed their last round of reporting was shit just "raised new questions".  That was why when the republicans blatantly overplayed their hand Clinton was able to win a round back then.  These days she is assumed guilty on all things emails no matter what.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8239 on: October 20, 2016, 09:56:03 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton. Hillary was so favored it wasn't even funny. also maybe a bit of fraud and astroturfing but we don't acknowledge those round these parts.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8240 on: October 20, 2016, 09:59:17 pm »

Clinton was the darling from day one, but sad as it is she didn't truly cheat. The people just aren't ready for a leader like Sanders. It's like he said from the start, it would have taken a political revolution.
Eh, it wouldn't have taken a revolution to get sanders in, it would have just taken him not being an ass combined with hopping on the democrat train like at least a few years ago. That and trying to maybe be more politician than demagogue.

Which I guess is a way to say it would have taken a revolution to actually get sanders in. Someone similarly left position/policy wise wouldn't necessarily have the same amount of trouble. obviously enough, considering an example of that is clinton

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton. Hillary was so favored it wasn't even funny. also maybe a bit of fraud and astroturfing but we don't acknowledge those round these parts.

Might have to do with the fact that she was the presidential candidate before...

And as always she was the most popular... until she actually ran.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8241 on: October 20, 2016, 10:02:09 pm »

If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton.

Yeah that explains why he did so well in New York.  As soon as people started taking him seriously you could see a real change in the numbers.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8242 on: October 20, 2016, 10:03:18 pm »

The nice thing about this election is it's produced a long-lasting litmus test. If someone says they liked Bernie and Trump, then I know they are an idiot or a troll, and either way aren't worth talking to.
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« Reply #8243 on: October 20, 2016, 10:04:05 pm »

I can't tell if mainiac was being sarcastic :x
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« Reply #8244 on: October 20, 2016, 10:08:19 pm »

The nice thing about this election is it's produced a long-lasting litmus test. If someone says they liked Bernie and Trump, then I know they are an idiot or a troll, and either way aren't worth talking to.

Not really. I would have much preferred Bernie to win, and while I hate Trump, I hate him marginally less than Clinton. Hence, while I was a Sanders supporter, I am also now a Trump "supporter."

If Herr Trump actually wins I'm going to be laughing my ass off, because you brought it on yourselves by nominating the one person he could ever stand a chance against.
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« Reply #8245 on: October 20, 2016, 10:11:24 pm »

The nice thing about this election is it's produced a long-lasting litmus test. If someone says they liked Bernie and Trump, then I know they are an idiot or a troll, and either way aren't worth talking to.

Not really. I would have much preferred Bernie to win, and while I hate Trump, I hate him marginally less than Clinton. Hence, while I was a Sanders supporter, I am also now a Trump "supporter."

If Herr Trump actually wins I'm going to be laughing my ass off, because you brought it on yourselves by nominating the one person he could ever stand a chance against.

But what did Hilary do that was so bad? outside... Two things that the FBI investigated and said "nothing special" and another controversy that was her being the victim of infidelity.

What makes what she did worse then Trump who has a parade of controversy surrounding him... Such as Trump University... Or Trump Towers... Or how he treats people in general... Or his lack of political experience or political education... or sexual assault lawsuits... Or the people he put in the poor house... Or his 100+ lawsuits.
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« Reply #8246 on: October 20, 2016, 10:14:07 pm »

I can't tell if mainiac was being sarcastic :x

Oh New York was a real turning point, just not a good one for Sanders.  It was also the first time he faced really harsh scrutiny of his plans.

If Herr Trump actually wins I'm going to be laughing my ass off, because you brought it on yourselves by nominating the one person he could ever stand a chance against.

Personally I say that the best fucking thing about this election is that it turns out we dont need people like you to make a winning coalition.  Good riddance!

But what did Hilary do that was so bad?

Killed white college male messiah.  :P
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8247 on: October 20, 2016, 10:16:24 pm »

I can't tell if mainiac was being sarcastic :x
Fair amount of sarcasm, yes. Probably. Sanders lost NY, and by a fairly substantial margin.

There was media disparity in terms of air time, but tbh sanders probably benefited from it more than it hurt, especially considering how much of clinton's was negative. Thing that some folks seem to have trouble wrapping their heads around is that sanders actually wasn't a particularly amazing candidate. Policy wise he was barely different from clinton save on subjects where he would have been better off if he wasn't, and he lost ground on rhetoric with a fair chunk of the electorate. To say nothing of what his performance in the primary said about his character or competence :-\

I still regret that primary vote, frankly. Was lukewarm on sanders to begin with just because of some of his shit re: trade et al, but by the end of the primary I legit didn't want to see him as a POTUS candidate.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8248 on: October 20, 2016, 10:52:51 pm »

I'm very upset he didn't mention boobs. You lost my vote UXLZ.
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I have a dream that one day Americans will be able to complain about every possible facet of life. That little white children can come together in the playground with little black children and both whine incessantly to their parents about every single topic under the sun. That one day, we will be judged not by the color of our skin, but for every possible fault, dicated only by the caprices and whims of every judgemental motherfucker in this great nation..
If they had equal media coverage and a fair playing field DNC-wise Sanders would have cruh-huh-huuuuuuussssssshed Clinton. Hillary was so favored it wasn't even funny. also maybe a bit of fraud and astroturfing but we don't acknowledge those round these parts.
I do enjoy when people not from this country claim to be experts. it's a good reminder that Americans do not have a monopoly on ignorance of the world. (for the record, I blame our very disadvantageous trade deals for this; we're losing our ignorance to Mexico and China. They are doing so well right now in the ignorance market. Lot of good, hard-working pundits out on their butts losing their ignorance-producing jobs to foreigners. Sad! I want to rebuild our home ignorance markets, and put a tariff on ignorance.)

I found your problem. Never confuse "I like this person" with "this person can/will win". It was always going to be uphill for Sanders in the best-case scenario. He's a socialist in a socialist-phobic country going against the establishment candidate without the support of any of the party due to not actually being a member of the party until his candidacy. He did well, considering.
The nice thing about this election is it's produced a long-lasting litmus test. If someone says they liked Bernie and Trump, then I know they are an idiot or a troll, and either way aren't worth talking to.
very true.
If Herr Trump actually wins
I thought we agreed not to talk about fantasy? Only realistic scenarios, please.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8249 on: October 20, 2016, 11:00:01 pm »

The nice thing about this election is it's produced a long-lasting litmus test. If someone says they liked Bernie and Trump, then I know they are an idiot or a troll, and either way aren't worth talking to.

Not really. I would have much preferred Bernie to win, and while I hate Trump, I hate him marginally less than Clinton. Hence, while I was a Sanders supporter, I am also now a Trump "supporter."

If Herr Trump actually wins I'm going to be laughing my ass off, because you brought it on yourselves by nominating the one person he could ever stand a chance against.

I, too wanted Bernie to win because I actually liked his policies. I am also enough of a grown-up to tell that Hillary is more like Bernie than Trump is. But now I've gone and talked to someone who's failed the litmus.
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