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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Starting Now
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2016, 10:47:37 pm »

griffinpup: Why are you evil?
OSG: Do you think there are third parties?
BHK: How much of an impact do you think editing will have on the game?
Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TheDarkStar: Hi!
TMS: How much do you think we should pay attention to flavor in this game?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Starting Now
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2016, 01:31:08 am »

ARCHIVE EVERYTHING ROUTINELY
I REPEAT:
ARCHIVE EVERYTHING ROUTINELY


Post editing goes beyond even the day of the post.
  There are powers to edit posts during the night and to edit posts from days before.  I know.  I have such a power.

I will archive material.  I want others to do so as well.  Redundancy and verifiability are good.
Remember to sweep the thread for edits.  Whole thread, not just the immediate day.

Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TDS: Interesting.  This is going to be a pretty slow game.  Bay 12 doesn't tend towards hammers.  Usually, we all split up and each attack our own target, engaging other cases only rarely.  That won't work here.  We'll have to finally try to talk to each other.  We'll have to try to persuade.  We'll have to listen to and engage with each other's cases while doing our usual pursuits.  We'll have to act collectively.  Basically, we'll have to do what I've generally wanted people to do for a while.

Anti-quickhammer system's pro-town, but limited.  Should do a lot to dissuade scum from quickhammering, but the wrong time with the wrong players may still let one slip through.  Certainly, any scum hammer attempt will have to be realistically justified.

What here do you agree with?  What do you disagree with?  Why?

griffinpup: What would you think of someone who threw a third game-starting vote on you?
origamiscienceguy: What editing behaviour should we particularly watch out for?
BlackHeartKabal: I decided to reveal elements of my role in this first post.  Should I have done so?
The Moonlit Shadow: Let's say your preferred lynch target was gaining no other votes and the day was dragging on (say, for a full week).  What would your general approach to the lynch be at that point?
Tiruin: I have drawn a set of three Zener cards from a standard deck.  Which cards are they?  What value is there to this seemingly pointless question?
juicebox: Do you think we should continue to Edit By Way Of Post (EBWOP) in this edit-allowing game?  Why or why not?
Deus Asmoth: Read my mind: post a paraphrase of my role PM, or at least your best guess.  (Please actually try to do so.)
GayArchaea: Hey, welcome back.  Do you think your general approach to Mafia has changed since you last played here?  If so, how?
Fallacy of Urist: From running your BYOR, what did you learn that is likely of use here?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Starting Now
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2016, 08:23:49 am »

griffinpup: Why are you evil?
OSG: Do you think there are third parties?
BHK: How much of an impact do you think editing will have on the game?
Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TheDarkStar: Hi!
TMS: How much do you think we should pay attention to flavor in this game?
Archived.

Also, no question for me, TheDarkStar?
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griffinpup: What would you think of someone who threw a third game-starting vote on you?
origamiscienceguy: What editing behaviour should we particularly watch out for?
BlackHeartKabal: I decided to reveal elements of my role in this first post.  Should I have done so?
The Moonlit Shadow: Let's say your preferred lynch target was gaining no other votes and the day was dragging on (say, for a full week).  What would your general approach to the lynch be at that point?
Tiruin: I have drawn a set of three Zener cards from a standard deck.  Which cards are they?  What value is there to this seemingly pointless question?
juicebox: Do you think we should continue to Edit By Way Of Post (EBWOP) in this edit-allowing game?  Why or why not?
Deus Asmoth: Read my mind: post a paraphrase of my role PM, or at least your best guess.  (Please actually try to do so.)
GayArchaea: Hey, welcome back.  Do you think your general approach to Mafia has changed since you last played here?  If so, how?
Fallacy of Urist: From running your BYOR, what did you learn that is likely of use here?
Archived times two.

To answer your question: ...playing a game of mafia and modding one are two entirely different beasts. So my answer: if I did gain anything of use by running my BYOR, it'll either be of use for running more games(like the second one I've got in the queue), or something of use for playing a mafia game, but buried in my unconscious.

TheDarkStar, Jack A T: I will look over the votes once this day is done. And if it turns out that you never bothered to unvote griffinpup, I'll be onto you day 2. Just saying.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2016, 09:49:45 am »

Did anybody catch what this post used to say?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Starting Now
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2016, 09:54:13 am »

griffinpup: Why are you evil?
OSG: Do you think there are third parties?
BHK: How much of an impact do you think editing will have on the game?
Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TheDarkStar: Hi!
TMS: How much do you think we should pay attention to flavor in this game?
I am pretty certain there are third parties. It would be a huge letdown if there weren't

ARCHIVE EVERYTHING ROUTINELY
I REPEAT:
ARCHIVE EVERYTHING ROUTINELY


Post editing goes beyond even the day of the post.
  There are powers to edit posts during the night and to edit posts from days before.  I know.  I have such a power.

I will archive material.  I want others to do so as well.  Redundancy and verifiability are good.
Remember to sweep the thread for edits.  Whole thread, not just the immediate day.

Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TDS: Interesting.  This is going to be a pretty slow game.  Bay 12 doesn't tend towards hammers.  Usually, we all split up and each attack our own target, engaging other cases only rarely.  That won't work here.  We'll have to finally try to talk to each other.  We'll have to try to persuade.  We'll have to listen to and engage with each other's cases while doing our usual pursuits.  We'll have to act collectively.  Basically, we'll have to do what I've generally wanted people to do for a while.

Anti-quickhammer system's pro-town, but limited.  Should do a lot to dissuade scum from quickhammering, but the wrong time with the wrong players may still let one slip through.  Certainly, any scum hammer attempt will have to be realistically justified.

What here do you agree with?  What do you disagree with?  Why?

griffinpup: What would you think of someone who threw a third game-starting vote on you?
origamiscienceguy: What editing behaviour should we particularly watch out for?
BlackHeartKabal: I decided to reveal elements of my role in this first post.  Should I have done so?
The Moonlit Shadow: Let's say your preferred lynch target was gaining no other votes and the day was dragging on (say, for a full week).  What would your general approach to the lynch be at that point?
Tiruin: I have drawn a set of three Zener cards from a standard deck.  Which cards are they?  What value is there to this seemingly pointless question?
juicebox: Do you think we should continue to Edit By Way Of Post (EBWOP) in this edit-allowing game?  Why or why not?
Deus Asmoth: Read my mind: post a paraphrase of my role PM, or at least your best guess.  (Please actually try to do so.)
GayArchaea: Hey, welcome back.  Do you think your general approach to Mafia has changed since you last played here?  If so, how?
Fallacy of Urist: From running your BYOR, what did you learn that is likely of use here?
Any post editing of votes would be a big one.

Fillipk, what happens if someone edits a post to change who they voted for, would the votecount continue to have the original lynchee, or the new one?

I really don't have time to specifically archive every post, but to help out, I will quote the entire post of someone I want to respond to, then bold the part that I am answering.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2016, 10:55:40 am »

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Fillipk, what happens if someone edits a post to change who they voted for, would the votecount continue to have the original lynchee, or the new one?
The new one, but it wouldn't be updated until I update the vote count again.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2016, 12:08:36 pm »

I was thinking more external archiving, but quotes are helpful too.  However, if you're quoting a large post in full for safety, perhaps spoiler it?

@Jack
I caught that.
The Moonlit Shadow: Huh?
Who is the preferred target of the rest of the town? How scummy do I find them? What seem to be the motivations of the leaders of the others? And who is my target voting for?
I would try to prompt activity from my target about current/night matters and see if what they say changes things.
I'm not going to set out a bunch of scenarios for this, but I'll take that as meaning you would consider those factors.  Are there any circumstances (no need to detail all of them) in which you would move your vote off of your top target to a player lower on your scum list?

TheDarkStar, Jack A T: I will look over the votes once this day is done. And if it turns out that you never bothered to unvote griffinpup, I'll be onto you day 2. Just saying.
FallacyofUrist: This is a fascinating little note.  See, at the surface level, it says what does not need to be said: of course those who leave their RVS votes through the full day are scummy, and of course they'll be noticed, and of course anyone who looks at Lurker Tracker will be on to them.  For some reason, though, you felt the need to make this explicit.

I could keep on going: the undertones, the easily foreseeable strategic implications, etc..  However, I'd rather see your initial answer to one question: why did you make this statement?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2016, 01:11:00 pm »

@Jack

I caught that.
What did you catch, TheMoonLitShadow?

Please elaborate.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2016, 02:39:47 pm »

@Jack:

I think we should, since post editing tends to look suspicious, whereas in an EBWOP, it's obvious what the intentions are.

@TMS:

Yes, please elaborate

@OSG:

Do you think we should hunt third parties then?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2016, 04:10:31 pm »

@Jack:

I think we should, since post editing tends to look suspicious, whereas in an EBWOP, it's obvious what the intentions are.

@TMS:

Yes, please elaborate

@OSG:

Do you think we should hunt third parties then?
We shouldn't focus on lynching them, but we shod keep an open mind as to who they might be, since they ave unknown agendas. The mafia have a clear anti-town agenda, but third party's are unknown.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Starting Now
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2016, 04:58:54 pm »

Jack:
Deus Asmoth: Read my mind: post a paraphrase of my role PM, or at least your best guess.  (Please actually try to do so.)

Er... ok? I guess it'd have to be something like:

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"You are a memory alteration specialist, specialising in the alteration of memories."

You are Something. You win when you win.

Memory Alteration - Edit target post to say whatever you want. Editing a post with a vote in it cannot change the lynch result of a previous day.

So what was the point of this question? I'm guessing there's something in the formatting of the PMs you want to check by assuming I'd use the formatting of mine to make my guess for yours?

OSG:
We shouldn't focus on lynching them, but we shod keep an open mind as to who they might be, since they ave unknown agendas. The mafia have a clear anti-town agenda, but third party's are unknown.
This is pretty vague. If you thought that someone was a third party that has no reason to side with the town over the mafia (survivor, for instance), would you try to get them lynched (assuming no extremely strong scum reads)?

FoU:
TheDarkStar, Jack A T: I will look over the votes once this day is done. And if it turns out that you never bothered to unvote griffinpup, I'll be onto you day 2. Just saying.
Yeah, why bother to say this? Do you think that griffinpup is likely to be town, or are you talking about unvoting by editing instead of posting the unvote?

GayArchaea:
Supposing a player is voting for someone, then edits the post they voted in to remove the vote without making any further mention of it. Where would that fall on a scale of totally scummy to absolutely not scummy?

Tiruin:
Since days don't have any set length in this game, what would your ideal length of discussion before a lynch be?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2016, 05:46:21 pm »

TheDarkStar, Jack A T: I will look over the votes once this day is done. And if it turns out that you never bothered to unvote griffinpup, I'll be onto you day 2. Just saying.
FallacyofUrist: This is a fascinating little note.  See, at the surface level, it says what does not need to be said: of course those who leave their RVS votes through the full day are scummy, and of course they'll be noticed, and of course anyone who looks at Lurker Tracker will be on to them.  For some reason, though, you felt the need to make this explicit.

I could keep on going: the undertones, the easily foreseeable strategic implications, etc..  However, I'd rather see your initial answer to one question: why did you make this statement?
To let you know that I would consider that to be suspicious. Come to think of it, I didn't have to post that, I could have just left it unsaid, then if you didn't end up unvoting before the day ended, pointed it out day 2 for potentially greater effect.

FoU:
TheDarkStar, Jack A T: I will look over the votes once this day is done. And if it turns out that you never bothered to unvote griffinpup, I'll be onto you day 2. Just saying.
Yeah, why bother to say this? Do you think that griffinpup is likely to be town, or are you talking about unvoting by editing instead of posting the unvote?
See answer to Jack A T's question.
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And now: archiving! The more it's done, the harder it is to corrupt our history.

Spoiler: Juicebox's first post. (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Jack A T's first post (click to show/hide)
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Jack A T: How likely do you think it is that there is at least one power in this setup that works via quotes?
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2016, 06:03:28 pm »

Question for everybody: How many mafia do you think there are?

I am thinking that in an 11 player game there would be 2 or 3, with a couple third parties, about 2-3 town power roles, and the rest townies, but I wouldn't be surprised if everybody has a power (or several). So possible more third parties or mafia than normal.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2016, 09:40:18 pm »

Bwuhhh, I've been feeling bluuuhh lately ;~;
PFP!
Question for everybody: How many mafia do you think there are?
3. Usually by going for the 'amount of people in total divided by 4, rounded up' idea. :O
Why do you ask this kind of question beforehand?

griffinpup: Why are you evil?
OSG: Do you think there are third parties?
BHK: How much of an impact do you think editing will have on the game?
Jack AT: What do you think of the hammer system?
TheDarkStar: Hi!
TMS: How much do you think we should pay attention to flavor in this game?
@_@
In a game where we can edit our posts during the day--it'll be pretty...obvious, to see who edits. I'm assuming there's a power that 'forces' the player to edit their posts. (ie "You must edit 'this' post, or probably without an indicator? :v)
Query for you TDS: That's a really soft RVS. Any more ideas you can add?

Also everyone: what will you do with your capability of editing?
I shall personally NOT edit, and if soever there are edits--it will either be the changing of the post icon {as THAT hilariously marks an 'edit' timestamp, even if no text is changed}, or just adding a space or whatever. No transparent text is used, if that idea comes to mind.


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Rules:
Votes must be red and bolded
The game runs on a modified hammer system. Days last until one person has at least 50% of the other people voting for them and then 6 hours after that, a hammer can be canceled during this time.
You can edit your posts as many times as you want, but only during the day and only of that day's posts
No quoting role pms
There is an unknown amount of mafia and/or third parties in this game
Keep the discussions civil and if you need to ask me anything bold and purple it please
I will always tell you the truth but I might not answer your question
Mephansteras can't play as he knows the set-up, sorry man
And no PMing other players
And you must be in or have played one other Mafia game.
Fillipk: Is there a scumchat?
NOBODY has noted that there is a lacking implication of 'normal vanilla rules'; I'm assuming as such because of the hammer system being implemented--something unseen lately and commonly on B12.


Has anyone thought of these ideas before making their posts. :v

Tiruin: I have drawn a set of three Zener cards from a standard deck.  Which cards are they?  What value is there to this seemingly pointless question?
Value in seeing my response and/or seeing my thinking pattern maybe. :P In all honesty, I always love answering questions even if they seem irrelevant as a player--even when I'm bloody tired and may be suffering from fatigue instead of just something a tad bit below my 'healthy' health line :D
...Now I've no idea what those are so thanks for the link. :I
...Ogods. Karl Zener. The fun guy. I:
Uh, my guess would be:
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a hollow circle (one curve)
a Greek cross (two lines)
three vertical wavy lines (or "waves")
And then Jack A T was asking me stuff because that's probably his action in drawing cards like a tarot dealer, because Miiiind reading. :^

Seriously. Why isn't there anomalistic psychology here, Fillipk. :I

Did anybody catch what this post used to say?
If you're using the 'tiny edit timeslip', there's a period in time, usually before 2 minutes or something, that one can edit their posts without the timestamp appearing--and that can mean adding anything from copy pasted WHOLE PARAGRAPHS OF TEXT to making tiny formatting errors into better writing. Basically the amount of text doesn't matter, as long as your internet and your body dexterity allows you to press the 'modify & save' buttons in that time, it's ok.
If you just posted that for hilarity...well have this information then. :v
Any use for that kind of question?


Tiruin:
Since days don't have any set length in this game, what would your ideal length of discussion before a lynch be?
...Where everyone is bloody active. :I
Seriously, that matters a lot more than how many days come by because at least that has a constant stream of information and communication--burnout usually occurs during weeks of time, however that depends proportionately by the amount of information being presented. Given the mechanics of setups, there are usually balances even in bastard mods regarding roles and abilities which affect this amount of information; my ideal length of a discussion would at least be 2 days worth of talking in general, unless in late game wherein there's a ton of information already plotted down. Basically just not hammering everyone because they looked at you funny or such. The usual 2 days+.

To all the stuff about archiving: How's about printscreen screenshots. That works as archiving, or Quoting and putting it in a notepad or something for perusal.
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Re: Mind Reading Mafia (11/11) Day 1
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2016, 09:58:14 pm »

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Fillipk: Is there a scumchat?
NOBODY has noted that there is a lacking implication of 'normal vanilla rules'; I'm assuming as such because of the hammer system being implemented--something unseen lately and commonly on B12.
Maybe, maybe not

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