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Re: Tech News. Automation, Engineering, Environment Etc
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2016, 09:23:57 pm »

Exactly.  Many people want to upgrade their $1k phones, and are willing to work the extra time to do it.

Automation could reduce the cost of these items (and thus labour required to acquire those items), or it could just increase the complexity/upgrade-rate of them. So now your phone has numerous new features and takes twice as much labour to produce, but with automation you break even and end up in the same position.

Even with our current level of technology, we could probably significantly reduce labour and poverty/inequality with some hypothetical economic system, but some of us might not have access to all the same luxuries we have right now.
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« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2016, 10:17:49 pm »

The cost of your phone is mostly the cost of creating the large fixed capital investments to make the parts.  You need specialized equipment to make the glass, you need specialized equipment to make a the cpu semi-conductor, etc.  In theory a communist initiative could make those investments more efficiently and give you lower costs by cutting out the profit but there isn't much real world experience to back that up.  And I dont really see why we wouldn't want to keep up the cycle of better phones every year instead of cheaper phones.  I think most people would have a tangible improvement in quality of life if their phone was twice as fast, twice as efficient on the battery, etc.
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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2016, 10:31:08 pm »

Technology improves and changes, so new investments in manufacturing equipment have to be made.

I don't disagree with you about the phone thing, it really depends on what you want in life I suppose. Smartphones are incredibly useful tools. What I said was really just to demonstrate the point that automation doesn't necessarily lead to less labour, and that people wanting "a better system that lets you do what you want" don't consider the possibility that one of those things some, possibly a substantial number of people want is more and better stuff.
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« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2016, 05:12:38 am »

They find other jobs. Or they get a job at the restaurant up the road that still uses humans (and has a reliable customer base just because of that)
So you believe this will always be possible?
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 or we can toss each new chunk of obsolete workers into ever more menial tasks until we literally have office buildings with people sitting there pushing buttons which do nothing (because even the job of making the useless buttons is better off automated) for 8 hours a day 5 days a week -snip-

look up corporation inc.
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« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2016, 05:39:58 am »

Exactly.  Many people want to upgrade their $1k phones, and are willing to work the extra time to do it.

Automation could reduce the cost of these items (and thus labour required to acquire those items), or it could just increase the complexity/upgrade-rate of them. So now your phone has numerous new features and takes twice as much labour to produce, but with automation you break even and end up in the same position.

Even with our current level of technology, we could probably significantly reduce labour and poverty/inequality with some hypothetical economic system, but some of us might not have access to all the same luxuries we have right now.
Well, we could definitely reduce inequality a lot, but a big part of the reason we aren't and won't any time soon is that having luxuries is treated like a goal in itself. You can't spend a billion dollars, you have to be a government to toss those sorts of numbers around, so what is the point of a few people accumulating those amounts of wealth?

If you want to have a better smartphone, I am sure there would be people who want to make them, but the technological arc would be different if there wasn't an incentive for offering small incremental improvements in a wrapper of planned obsolescence.

Encouraging the automation of labor and regular discarding of resources in the name of profit margins is what led to the insanity that Gwolfski is pointing at, where corporate entities have goals of their own, and rights, and so forth.

Modern fondleslabs are fucking amazing, you drop someone with one just a couple of decades back and they're full on sci-fi territory just from that one device. I remember dreaming up stuff like them as handheld computers for inventor characters in rpgs as part of my "whiz-bang gizmo loadout" and those still weren't as impressive as modern ones... once you leave out stuff like optional self-destruct systems, built-in combat lasers, and the like.

We're already well into the territory where we can't just keep throwing transistors at the problem for massive gains, we've already got scifi toys we carry around in our pocket, but we've gotten accustomed to "the next upgrade" and "the next killer app" by now.

That doesn't seem like it will work out well in the long run when you get big insane* corporate entities asking things like "employee productivity loss due to bathroom breaks and food consumption is a problem, what if we could get rid of the need to eat and eliminate?" and keep applying upgrade cycles until you get where there is no reason to keep employing people beyond needing someone to buy your stuff.

Wait, that could be the next big app!

"Introducing the eMployee2.0: now with 'wants' and 'needs' to fulfill!"


*I'm not sure if insane or lacking sanity is more apt here, they don't have human motivations or minds even, so something which benefits a corporate entity but screws over people would only seem insane if you aren't a corporate entity I guess?
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« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2016, 05:59:38 am »

2.5 million tonnes of used electrical goods in America every year.

3.5 million new phones in Australia in the last 12 months.

Just saying...
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« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2016, 07:51:41 am »


I don't know if such pursuits ("creativity/inquisition/teaching/learning/exploring/discussion") are inherent desires/goals of humans, and that all/most people actually want this.

Yes, more technology will not lead to reduced working hours and more leisure times, I agree with that. Technology is advanced enough that at this stage, the difficulty with bringing the world you describe into existence is almost exclusively social and not a technological one. It is one of my pet peeves that people seem to think technological developments on their own will bring about some sort of utopia.
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« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2016, 07:58:41 am »

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that it will happen like that, I was just saying that options and such besides "do menial tasks or starve" are doable, but socially unacceptable currently.

There's only been one socialist utopia that I know of: The Culture, and it required ridiculously high-end magictech alongside a suitable social system to even work in a story setting where it is one of the main players.

Arguably I was leaning towards the dystopic end of the scale with my "well let's just automate everything and let the market sort it out" scenario.
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« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2016, 08:08:55 am »

IDK, but I just read another article saying there are electrical sockets with a chip in them and they can crack your WIFI password and be hacked to launch DDOS attacks. Don't put CPUs in everything people, it's stupid.
The Internet of Things, where security isn't even part of the design. But getting in the news because they forgot to add a decent bit of it is!
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2016, 06:27:44 pm »

looks like Tesla made a battery with over 300 miles of range:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12611466/tesla-battery-upgrade-p100d-model-s-x-ludicrous
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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2016, 06:31:57 pm »

Is there a special significance to 300 or is it just a bigger number?
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2016, 10:35:00 pm »

I don't think so, but it does mean the car is viable for many more consumers than before. Maybe you can now do a 150-mile round-trip, or you can recharge it every second night rather than have to every night. The top Tesla model can now go 20 miles extra before topping up, and the 2nd-highest model can go an extra 40 miles before topping up. Which is not to be sneezed at.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/08/27/2041240/dominos-will-deliver-pizza-by-drone-and-by-robot
Dominos have been testing pizza drones in New Zealand. They point out how much they save on fuel by not sending a whole car to deliver your pizza. They're also trying a Pizza robot that can hold 10 pizzas inside it's stomach-compartment.

Even babies are out of a job, because of robot babies. Nobody is safe, I tell you

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/pregnancy/baby-simulators-meant-to-deter-teenage-pregnancies-actually-increase-the-chances/news-story/507e8a58ce43c46254570c4cd33c0210
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ROBOT baby dolls meant to cut teen pregnancy rates by simulating the ‘real experience’ of having an infant are actually doing the opposite. A groundbreaking Australian study has found teenage girls given a comprehensive sex education campaign that involved taking the dolls home for a weekend were more likely to get pregnant. Seventeen per cent of the girls who used the dolls got pregnant compared to just 11 per cent of those who had no experience with the dolls, the study published in The Lancet shows.

The virtual infants made by company Realityworks are used in around 2,000 schools in Australia, 67 per cent of schools in the US and in 40,000 institutions in 89 other countries in a bid to deter teenage girls from getting pregnant.
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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2016, 10:43:09 pm »

The best way to keep teenage girls from getting pregnant is letting them get pregnant and seeing that kids ruin your life... wait, hang on I think I just identified a problem.

I know having 5 little sisters and taking care of babies since I was able to walk (by choice, I wanted to help out) does a lot to encourage safe sex. 13 years with the missus and no kids, we're enjoying being young dammit.
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2016, 10:49:07 pm »

5 little sisters?? That sounds like an anime plot ...

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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2016, 10:55:50 pm »

Well I would have gone with horror movie based on the observation that little girls are the purest most concentrated form of evil known to man.

Once our little old whorecat Wynx had a stillborn litter, I didn't know but I knew she was getting ready to poop out kittens that day so I went back to the room where she had her birthing box, the light was off, I open the door to find my youngest sister holding one of the dead kittens and dropping it, chuckling when it bounced.

...I shut the door and walked away, I don't get paid enough for that shit.
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