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Dutchy of Antioch (Greek/Orthodox/Fuedal.  Unmarried 19 y/o with one daughter.  Dead Uncle was former Emperor.  End point of Silk Road.  Vassal of Byzantines.)

6 (10.2%)

County of Orvieto (Italian/Orthodox/Fuedal.  Unmarried 27 y/o with one son.  Vassal of the Pope.)

9 (15.3%)

Duke of Salerno (Lombard/Orthodox/Fuedal.  Unmarried 31 y/o with many siblings.  Last Lombard ruler I can find.  Can conquer Amalfi.  Independent.)

6 (10.2%)

High Chief of Ryazan (Russian/Orthodox/Tribal.  Married 39 y/o with four sons.  Many claims.  Independent.)

4 (6.8%)

Petty Kingdom of Powys (Welsh/Catholic/Fuedal.  Married 41 y/o with several kids.  Strongest Welsh ruler.  Independent.)

3 (5.1%)

Count of Aargau (German/Catholic/Fuedal.  Married 41 y/o with Son and Daughter.  Controlled by von Habsburg.  Vassal of HRE.)

5 (8.5%)

Duke of Translyvania (Hungarian/Catholic/Fuedal.  Unmarried 19 y/o with many siblings.  Father was former King.  Cousin current.  Vassal of Hungary.)

9 (15.3%)

Count Sigfus of Vestisland (Norwegian/Catholic/Fuedal.  Unmarried 28 y/o with 1 son.  Make Iceland relevant.  Vassal of Island.)

6 (10.2%)

Petty King of Makuria (Nubian/Miaphysite/Fuedal.  Unmarried 27 y/o with 1 son.  Heir of high chiefdom of Alodia.  Independent.)

4 (6.8%)

Count of Trinkitat (Nubian/Miaphysite/Fuedal.  Unmarried 21 y/o with no heirs.  Strongest single county nation in Nubia.  Independent.)

4 (6.8%)

Screw these guys, I want a ruler designed person.  (Suggest a site.)

3 (5.1%)

Total Members Voted: 28

[Digital Hellhound]

He got what he deserved, son! Worthless excuse for a husband. At least he was of use to his brother in death.

Never seen a death pop-up for the cannibal event before, nifty.

[Persus13]

Been really slow on this due to the semester starting up again.


Also, this just happened, so I'm not sure what to do next, especially since my character is a zealous crusader warrior, so I don't really want to become independent.

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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Also, this just happened, so I'm not sure what to do next, especially since my character is a zealous crusader warrior, so I don't really want to become independent.

What traits does the Pope have?

[Persus13]

He's a Pilgrim Crusader with sympathy of Islam. He's honest, envious, charitable and arbitrary.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

He's a Pilgrim Crusader with sympathy of Islam. He's honest, envious, charitable and arbitrary.

Well, we do have an utterly absurd amount of land and have waged a large numbers of Holy Wars against Islam.  Could use that to construct a narrative to go independent.  Could use other branches of the family, people playing on the bad side of the pope and giving him the suspicion we may support an anti-pope, etc.  Maybe even use the fact your guy's mother had been excommunicated, then restored by a massive donation.  I'll leave you to decide which is the bad part of that bit.

[EuchreJack]

I dunno, I was hoping we'd convert over to EU IV as Papal State.  Without us, they're nothing.

[Digital Hellhound]

You could maybe give all the land there to a relative and grant them independence, if you don't want to keep it (if that's possible - might actually be that only the top-level ruler can do that). Or hand it to other vassals of the Pope, thus growing the Holy Realm - preferably Orsini ones.

[Iituem]

Question:  If we took enough land for a de jure empire, would the Pope form it and elevate himself?  Creating the Empire of God would be satisfying.

[Digital Hellhound]

I don't think the Pope creates higher-level titles, sadly.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I don't think the Pope creates higher-level titles, sadly.

Maybe if we get control of the majority of Italy, we could use console commands to create the empire of Italia?  That way, we can stay under the control of the Pope, but still continue our growth in power.

[Persus13]

One problem right now is that I was worried about hitting my vassal limit even before I won the crusade for England. I know you can go over it (like the Byzantine emperor currently is in this game), but I don't know what sort of downsides there are to that.

[hector13]

Vassals can declare independence after your current ruler dies, I think you receive opinion penalties and all that comes with them, but I don't think you lose anything like taxes or levies.

[Persus13]

Other than both taxes and levies being based partly on ruler opinion.

[hector13]

That's what I meant about everything that comes with opinion penalties. I meant that I don't think having too many vassals affects them like having too many holdings in your personal demesne does.

Poorly communicated heh.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

How's the turn coming along?