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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0  (Read 101617 times)

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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0
« Reply #2100 on: April 14, 2024, 12:59:57 pm »

Hypersonic missiles weren't part of Iran's attack. Also there was ample warning time. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the ability of Russia to attack a nearby NATO country closer than Israel is to Iran (12 hours by drone.)

Sure, attacking some Estonia will be more effective. Even Poland or Sweden will have problems despite major investments in air defense. But to win a conventional war with a European part of NATO you need to bomb countries that are key for their military and industry - Germany, France, Italy Russian missiles and drones are not reaching there at any significant numbers. And the USA is as safe as possible.

ICBMs are the problem, we do not know what the Russian Strategic Missile Force is capable of. Neither do we know what West can actually do in its defense. But we do know how modern Air Defense handles conventional mass attacks of Russian\Iranian level of tech. We got a clear demonstration.
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« Reply #2101 on: April 14, 2024, 01:23:52 pm »

Isreal has the best country wide air defense system and state of readiness in the world, trying to use it as an argument that Russian nukes will all be shot down if they target basically anywhere else is silly. Like sure, Paris or London or DC might have sufficient defenses to stop an attack, but if they target 99% of the rest of the countries things get way deicer, especially since they probably have hundreds of nukes to throw around.
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« Reply #2102 on: April 18, 2024, 02:13:46 am »

Americans, thank you for Marjorie Taylor-Greene!

Every time when I am in despair that our politicians are a bunch of total morons, she does something that reminds me that no, they are not that bad. Worse examples exist.

Those amendments of hers... mmmmmm... Pure art of idiocy.

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https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/GREENE_218_xml240417151911517.pdf
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« Reply #2103 on: April 18, 2024, 11:52:01 am »

I refuse to use her name, since people saying her name is literally the only thing she truly cares about. I sometimes think she's a Russian plant, but I think she's just a useful idiot. Someone ought to look into her campaign finances, though.

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« Reply #2104 on: May 25, 2024, 09:58:08 am »

This thread is so dormant... And to be honest nothing of note happened. Typical war of attrition with Ukraine slowly retreating all over the front.
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« Reply #2105 on: May 25, 2024, 11:14:26 am »

I'll admit I haven't been keeping up with the war like I was, since it was obvious it had devolved into a depressing stalemate that Ukraine was unlikely to come out on top of.  I feel bad for anyone in Ukraine since as an American it's depressing enough.

I'm glad that the US finally did send more aid, but it's certainly not going to be enough for long.

I've read in a couple of places that Ukraine claims to have retaken the lost territory in Kharkiv, but I don't know whether to believe that since the Ukrainian government has obvious incentive to claim that even if it's not totally true.
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« Reply #2106 on: May 25, 2024, 11:38:36 am »

Ukraine appears to have blown up an important radar station used to watch for ballistic missile attacks from the US.
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« Reply #2107 on: May 25, 2024, 02:59:47 pm »

I've read in a couple of places that Ukraine claims to have retaken the lost territory in Kharkiv, but I don't know whether to believe that since the Ukrainian government has obvious incentive to claim that even if it's not totally true.

It is anecdotal but all, I mean all my contacts at\near the frontline describe the situation as the worst since the beginning of the war. And internal political\economical\social stability is increasingly not good. This summer will be rough, really rough
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« Reply #2108 on: May 25, 2024, 02:59:59 pm »

I'd summarize the last few months this way...

The lack of aid packages had forced Ukraine to ration their weapons which allowing some Russian advances. The aid packages passed, so Ukraine stopped rationing, and the Russian advances were halted but not reversed (all were small advances, but the loss of Avdiivka should not have happened).

There were two military attacks that were politically important: the communications hub in Crimea was hit, and the missile ship Tsiklon was sunk in Svestopol harbor (in shallow water, with the mast sticking out of the water, link).

Some problems that the pro-Ukraine groups need to resolve are:
- ensuring continuance of aid packages.
- allowing Ukraine to use weapons against military targets within Russia (in one podcast, they were suggesting the three Russian oblasts bordering the northeast border near Kharkiv, where Russia has artillery and aircraft staying in Russian territory and attacking Ukraine).
- finding where "western" pro-Russia politicians are getting finance/profit from Russia, because Moscow Marge may believe she is getting money from people in the USA, but those giving her money are directly or indirectly getting it from Russia, just like George Santos did).
- continuing to close sanction loopholes and bypasses.
- denying the pro-Russian groups who seek state control in Georgia and other ex-USSR states.
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« Reply #2109 on: Today at 02:21:04 am »

Damn and here I was hoping that no news was good news.
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