Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: 1 2 3 [4]

Author Topic: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"  (Read 904 times)

MaxTheFox

  • Bay Watcher
  • Wacky fox do uncharacteristic thing
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2022, 02:02:47 am »

I never said it should be uncontrolled.

"Stable offworld populations" represents a new level of poverty. No one will ever want to spend their life off Earth without terraforming, and that's a 1000's years process.
You underestimate the amount of humans who are crazy enough to do exactly that.
Logged
Долой царя! Смерть Путину! Да здравствует социализм!

King Zultan

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2022, 03:19:31 am »

You know you could live in a little pod city while the terraforming process is happening.
Logged
The Lawyer opens a briefcase. It's full of lemons, the justice fruit only lawyers may touch.
Make sure not to step on any errant blood stains before we find our LIFE EXTINGUSHER.
but anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to commit sebbaku.
Quote from: Leodanny
Can I have the sword when you’re done?

MaxTheFox

  • Bay Watcher
  • Wacky fox do uncharacteristic thing
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2022, 05:53:35 am »

You know you could live in a little pod city while the terraforming process is happening.
This too. By necessity, an extraplanetary base won't be as cramped as current space installations, to prevent the crew from going insane.
Logged
Долой царя! Смерть Путину! Да здравствует социализм!

Quarque

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2022, 06:19:55 am »

The idea behind this thread looks like a tower of incorrect assumptions stacked on top of each other.

The main problem of humanity is not a lack of AI (already achieved to a certain degree), and it certainly isn't a lack of FTL travel. The main problem is that there are strong incentives for individuals to do things that are bad for the collective.

Compare it with your own body cells. All of them act very strictly in the best interest of the whole organism (you). If some of them no longer do, that's called cancer and it will kill you. Now let's not be overly cynical. Most people act for the benefit of the group most of the time (call it group pressure, social norms, law and order or altruism - the result is the same). But not everybody and not always, of course. And it is difficult to do the right thing even if you try your best, because modern life got so complicated. If we want to get ahead (and "win", however you'd define it), this is the core problem we need to solve. The number one priority. If we manage to coexist for another 10.000 years without killing each other, we could make a technological leap beyond imagination.
Logged

EuchreJack

  • Bay Watcher
  • Lord of Norderland - Lv 20 Paladin
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2022, 12:17:20 pm »

"Stable offworld populations" represents a new level of poverty. No one will ever want to spend their life off Earth without terraforming, and that's a 1000's years process.

You assume they'll have a choice.

Scoops Novel

  • Bay Watcher
  • Horizon, I am the Traveler. Be watched
    • View Profile
    • Web relay, Security blanket, Rey, Style Respondant Scattergood Miracle! grandlyier accessor. Pulp, Herald of miscellaneous, Sparring minions, Goodest things you ever saw,
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2022, 12:52:39 pm »

"Solar suicide bombers" is what everybody wants to hear in their defence meetings. Nah man, ain't happening.
Logged
Out here in the Troposphere - flexing on ya Altidudes
I'm a Great Power.
A flexible divine, cast forth from the vapours vomit
Stupid Cool, Ahsoka.

COol guy vulpine, bam eel! Blistercoil Salamander Astrolabe Edified errant hasseler, All about the dazzle. Observing cheap cool business building by badass, dart the technology - Indomitable, amazing chargeless ninja style? Overwhelm pouring stuff and boring stuff! Gooder Phenomenon Intrepid!

King Zultan

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2022, 03:11:06 am »

Regular bombs will be just as effective in space as they are on Earth, so no need for fancy space bombs.
Logged
The Lawyer opens a briefcase. It's full of lemons, the justice fruit only lawyers may touch.
Make sure not to step on any errant blood stains before we find our LIFE EXTINGUSHER.
but anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to commit sebbaku.
Quote from: Leodanny
Can I have the sword when you’re done?

EuchreJack

  • Bay Watcher
  • Lord of Norderland - Lv 20 Paladin
    • View Profile
Re: Without AI or FTL, how does humanity "win?"
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2022, 05:12:26 pm »

"Solar suicide bombers" is what everybody wants to hear in their defence meetings. Nah man, ain't happening.

It's a catchy phrase for some sci-fi.

"Solar suicide bombers"

It could mean so many different things!
Pages: 1 2 3 [4]