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« Reply #29835 on: April 21, 2019, 08:20:53 pm »

Some troll defender you are...

Well my name doesn't mean I defend FORUM trolls and bullies and similar posters :P I came up with it many years ago when I played a game (don't remember the name sadly, it was some magazine disk game and its been too long and could never find it again) where you defended trolls (like actual fantasy trolls) from being killed. Demons from some alternate plane or something would come in from a portal and try to take over or something, don't remember exact details. You couldn't really move or do anything, just point and click at the demons. And then the game would move you to a new area. I've used the name since, though the 99 is just added cause Trolldefender is almost always taken.

But I suppose thats getting off topic for the thread lol. At least a bit more light hearted :P
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« Reply #29836 on: April 21, 2019, 08:30:42 pm »

@Folly: I get where youíre coming from as far as the thoughts and prayers stuff goes, I dislike that hypocrisy too, but this is completely different from the gun issue here in the US. Iím sure there are some who pray for their souls or whatever, but the problem in the US isnít trying to pray it away (even if it seems like it at times) itís political will.

Besides, these are Christians we are talking about here who are most likely getting attacked by non-Christians, who actually worship the exact same god just a different dimensional slice or whatever and doesnít exist anyway and is a theological debate that should be had in the religion thread.
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« Reply #29837 on: April 21, 2019, 09:48:49 pm »

Sure, we'll just table that discussion until sometime after we talk about gun control. Have the families of the mass shooting victims calmed down enough for us to talk about that yet?

Yes, I'm certain that attacking the families of gun victims for their religion will solve that problem as well.
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« Reply #29838 on: April 21, 2019, 09:54:41 pm »

Not gonna quote it. But that post also insults all religions, including Islam and many others. Which leads to it to being kind of a racist and a kinda bigot hateful post for someone to make especially with what happened, on a forum that is rather accepting of different cultures, beliefs and religions.
"Imaginary friend" is a mocking term, sure.  All but the most Universalist people believe that most deities are imaginary friends, but there are more respectful ways to phrase it.

But uh, I find your logic there a bit frightening.  To mock *all* religions is to insult Islam, so is therefore racist?  And hateful?
I think monotheism is a ridiculous idea.  That doesn't mean I hate monotheists.  I think they're wrong, and I have trouble understanding them.  It certainly doesn't make me racist, right?

I accept religious people, and the ones on Bay12 are generally pretty accepting of me.  It's okay to disagree about important stuff, heh.
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« Reply #29839 on: April 21, 2019, 10:09:14 pm »

Not gonna quote it. But that post also insults all religions, including Islam and many others. Which leads to it to being kind of a racist and a kinda bigot hateful post for someone to make especially with what happened, on a forum that is rather accepting of different cultures, beliefs and religions.
"Imaginary friend" is a mocking term, sure.  All but the most Universalist people believe that most deities are imaginary friends, but there are more respectful ways to phrase it.

But uh, I find your logic there a bit frightening.  To mock *all* religions is to insult Islam, so is therefore racist?  And hateful?
I think monotheism is a ridiculous idea.  That doesn't mean I hate monotheists.  I think they're wrong, and I have trouble understanding them.  It certainly doesn't make me racist, right?

I accept religious people, and the ones on Bay12 are generally pretty accepting of me.  It's okay to disagree about important stuff, heh.

It was the way he worded it, like (at least how I interpreted it, it can be hard to tell what someone means by text though) they deserved what happened because of their belief. To me the tone of the post was condescending and like the victims deserved it. And goes to mock their "imaginary" god so they deserve it, which means anyone victim of attacks (whether they worship God, Allah or anyone else) deserve it and should "fight back". That part to me sounded rather racist or at least hateful.

Maybe the way I read it was wrong? Again like I said, hard to tell someones tone when reading a post because its just words on a page and you don't know how its supposed to actually sound. But to me, it didn't read like it belonged on this forum with how it seemed to be worded.
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« Reply #29840 on: April 21, 2019, 10:21:18 pm »

I don't know whether you're from the US or not trolldefender99 (people from outside the US are plenty welcome in the thread :) ), but I took it in the context of the 'thoughts and prayers' that keep being issued after a mass shooting and the political inaction that can at times look like the politicians are trying to pray it away rather than take action. His frustration is understandable, if completely misaimed for this situation where I don't see how it's applicable to be frustrated about inaction over 'thoughts and prayers'.

His second post definetly came off as snappy sarcasm to me though
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« Reply #29841 on: April 21, 2019, 10:28:19 pm »

I don't know whether you're from the US or not trolldefender99 (people from outside the US are plenty welcome in the thread :) ), but I took it in the context of the 'thoughts and prayers' that keep being issued after a mass shooting and the political inaction that can at times look like the politicians are trying to pray it away rather than take action. His frustration is understandable, if completely misaimed for this situation where I don't see how it's applicable to be frustrated about inaction over 'thoughts and prayers'.

His second post definetly came off as snappy sarcasm to me though

I took it as somewhat related to that, too... but more in terms of fundamentalist culture than modern "thoughts and prayers" politics.  There's a deep history of attributing everything to god's will even where human agency is concerned.  Such as.... having the ability to treat an illness, but letting someone die anyway because if god wants them to live, then they'll live.  I felt frustration with that kind of mentality from the post.
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« Reply #29842 on: April 21, 2019, 10:34:36 pm »

I don't know whether you're from the US or not trolldefender99 (people from outside the US are plenty welcome in the thread :) ), but I took it in the context of the 'thoughts and prayers' that keep being issued after a mass shooting and the political inaction that can at times look like the politicians are trying to pray it away rather than take action. His frustration is understandable, if completely misaimed for this situation where I don't see how it's applicable to be frustrated about inaction over 'thoughts and prayers'.

His second post definetly came off as snappy sarcasm to me though

I took it as somewhat related to that, too... but more in terms of fundamentalist culture than modern "thoughts and prayers" politics.  There's a deep history of attributing everything to god's will even where human agency is concerned.  Such as.... having the ability to treat an illness, but letting someone die anyway because if god wants them to live, then they'll live.  I felt frustration with that kind of mentality from the post.

Oh okay, I can see how it can be that way now I re-read it. I'm actually from the US, but due to a (private) disability it took me 14 years to learn to read properly. I know how to spell and read these days, as here I am of course. But my comprehension skills can be lacking. It makes it harder because for me I read something and understand it in a 100% opposite way than what the author meant. Knowing how someone sounds and is acting and their tone of voice is much easier than reading someones text. And these days, I do tend to see things in a negative light with all the hatred and racism in the world, and apparently this wasn't how the post intended (besides maybe his follow up post was apparently more sarcastic). I just want things to be united and everyone to work on a goal of space travel or better medicine and cures.

Sorry if I understood it the wrong way. Re-reading it as I said, it does seem like he probably meant it that peoples (for example) "respond with 4 to send prayers and thoughts" that pop up on twitters is pretty useless. Pretty sure its not gonna help the victims, except maybe make people feel better. Instead of taking actual action to make things actually better.
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« Reply #29843 on: April 21, 2019, 10:43:14 pm »

Dyslexia I guess? Anyways, miscommunication happens from time to time, even to those with good reading comprehension skills.
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« Reply #29844 on: April 21, 2019, 11:16:00 pm »

I took it as somewhat related to that, too... but more in terms of fundamentalist culture than modern "thoughts and prayers" politics.  There's a deep history of attributing everything to god's will even where human agency is concerned.  Such as.... having the ability to treat an illness, but letting someone die anyway because if god wants them to live, then they'll live.  I felt frustration with that kind of mentality from the post.

Well, not everything; the American God, it would seem, needs all the help He can get punishing people who don't fit the faithful's vision of America. Against the horrors of the LGBT agenda, the scourge of minorities in general and the grim spectre of any sort of progressivism -- against these, the American God is powerless and the people must pray, vote, and legislate every hateful policy they can imagine into existence. It is only when other people are needlessly dying that thoughts and prayers become a sufficient substitute for actually doing something.
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« Reply #29845 on: April 21, 2019, 11:19:10 pm »

I took it as somewhat related to that, too... but more in terms of fundamentalist culture than modern "thoughts and prayers" politics.  There's a deep history of attributing everything to god's will even where human agency is concerned.  Such as.... having the ability to treat an illness, but letting someone die anyway because if god wants them to live, then they'll live.  I felt frustration with that kind of mentality from the post.

Well, not everything; the American God, it would seem, needs all the help He can get punishing people who don't fit the faithful's vision of America. Against the horrors of the LGBT agenda, the scourge of minorities in general and the grim spectre of any sort of progressivism -- against these, the American God is powerless and the people must pray, vote, and legislate every hateful policy they can imagine into existence. It is only when other people are needlessly dying that thoughts and prayers become a sufficient substitute for actually doing something.

Yeah... action is demanded of the faithful when they need to be his soldiers, but complacency when submitting to his judgment.  But I wasn't going to go there.  I'm not used to such bold candor from you, Trekkin.
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« Reply #29846 on: April 22, 2019, 12:08:08 am »

I’m sure that shooting victims and survivors would be happy to hear that they have been judged by god :p

There is an East Asia thread that RedKing has around here which it could get shunted to, but since terrorist attacks generally end up affecting many nationalities, I guess it could be discussed here? *shrug*

Not a huge lot to talk about though, and apparently a six foot long pvc pipe bomb (whether it was one whole six foot long pipe or connected sections, it wasn’t said) was found on a road to a major airport after the bombings.
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« Reply #29847 on: April 22, 2019, 06:43:38 am »

Yeah no it's not. You're gonna have to expand on that one because as it is I'm having trouble reading it as anything but "but Islam is actually the real victim, you guys!"

Which is really disrespecting considering what just happened.
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« Reply #29848 on: April 22, 2019, 07:25:42 am »

... then I'm pretty sure the trouble is with you, as that reads absolutely nothing like that. Are you trying to respond to someone besides ispil and forgot to quote or somethin'?
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« Reply #29849 on: April 22, 2019, 08:58:56 am »

It's worth noting that this was done by a local group, and we're talking Sri Lanka here; it was only last year that it was Muslims being targeted by Buddhists.

This is not one of those things that ties in easily into the global "jihadist attack" narrative.

TBH, I was kind of spinning some excuse that it could be discussed here.

Back to US news I guess. Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton joins the race.
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