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Dunamisdeos

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29955 on: April 26, 2019, 08:12:38 pm »

I know you're just taking the piss but I'm not certain some advancements are even possible without crusty old physicists to teach quantum mechanics to the newest generation or what have you. That sort of thing can take decades to achieve competence with.

That's not actually the case; most of the actual work in academia is done by grad students in their early to mid twenties supervised by postdocs in their thirties. The professors' actual job is mostly internal politics if they're good at it or teaching undergraduates if they aren't, and they persist in those jobs indefinitely precisely because they don't require staying up to date -- and in so doing, they lock out more qualified, younger people. Professors are generally old not because they take so long to educate but because it's hard to get them to retire until they're at least mostly dead, in large part because the job's so hellish that only an absolute maniac would take it in the first place.

Crusty old scientists teach crusty old science, which is fine for undergraduates (who are almost all useless anyway) but is by no means sufficient. If we were allowed to be more selective sooner in the process we wouldn't need them, which is a large part of why we do not have that freedom.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29956 on: April 26, 2019, 08:14:14 pm »

16 years to grow up, then we take copies of your dna, grind you down into fertilizer, and subsume your knowledge and memories into the rulermind.
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« Reply #29957 on: April 26, 2019, 08:23:29 pm »

Mine doesn't even require nonexistent technology. You can just shoot them and use a meat grinder.

So we've settled on eating the old and rich, and I feel like I met no resistance on the human nutrition regulatory committee. HNRC rolls off the palate so smoothly, wouldn't you all agree? This flippant edgelord bullshit is a helluva drug.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29958 on: April 26, 2019, 08:28:21 pm »

Anything you can accomplish with existing technology is probably not worth doing.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29959 on: April 26, 2019, 08:29:23 pm »

Sounds like someone needs a trip to the cannery.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29960 on: April 26, 2019, 08:31:50 pm »

Better Idea: Ban human life past the age of 40. 30 if you have not produced a replacement. The human race continues, and we speed up the process of new ideas taking hold in society. None of this faffing around, you grow up, you create children, you educate them with your life experience, donezo. Carbon footprint reduced, accumulation of wealth reduced, no expectation of arbitrary terms of fulfillment into old age, population problems resolved.

Heck, this would have a more positive impact on the planet as a whole. Kids consume less of basically everything that drains our planet.

I know theres been a dystopian movie or two with that kind of age cutoff, except that the one I know of has it at 50.

Logan's Run. I believe the age of "renewal" is 30. Gotta say, if you're gonna systematically cull the population, you might as well do it with with style. Great movie, if pretty dated by now.

Mine doesn't even require nonexistent technology. You can just shoot them and use a meat grinder.

So we've settled on eating the old and rich, and I feel like I met no resistance on the human nutrition regulatory committee. HNRC rolls off the palate so smoothly, wouldn't you all agree? This flippant edgelord bullshit is a helluva drug.

We've settled on eating the old and banning children. We're so close to solving all our problems.

Unfortunately this is all derivative edge from Soylent Green.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29961 on: April 26, 2019, 08:34:22 pm »

No no, children allowed. 40 is not, 30 is the cutoff if you fail to reproduce. Logical benefits have been listed.

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Logically, 2 or 3 would be the regulated limit, however. The idea being to replace parents, and to provide a small extra for those who are culled at 30.

Additional benefit would be a lessening of tax burdens and personal costs to life. It costs approximately 200k to raise a child from birth to 18, but the average cost of a senior living home/nursing home runs from 80k-200k a year. The economic gains could be considerable.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29962 on: April 26, 2019, 08:42:35 pm »

Did I somehow stumble into a Logan's Run movie?

Because it looks like I stumbled into a Logan's Run movie..
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« Reply #29963 on: April 26, 2019, 08:44:01 pm »

My plan is better than any old movie script.

I'm going home, I expect to see this expounded upon when I return. The future of the planet is at stake, people.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29964 on: April 26, 2019, 08:52:16 pm »

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Just to address this because I missed it in the shenanigans, my issue with it comes in when society and the planet has to bear the burden as well. Long ago, our ignorance and lack of sophistication and science served as a check on population growth. We've outstripped nature's ability to prevent us from wrecking the planet, seemingly. So I do see literally having a kid year for 5 years, or however many that people start to wonder why, as contributing to a lot of problems.

It's kinda like when playing a village sim and you get a sudden influx of migrants or nomads. This keeps happening while your infrastructure starts to struggle to keep up. But you decide that, in gamer's terms, it's more "fun" when things get outta control. Or that ultimately the value of each uncared for migrant isn't actually that worthwhile 'cause there's plenty more where that came from.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29965 on: April 26, 2019, 08:54:16 pm »

Did I somehow stumble into a Logan's Run movie?

Because it looks like I stumbled into a Logan's Run movie..

Yeah I think that's the one I was thinking of. Either that or the Soylent Green one, I wasn't sure what the title was that I was remembering.
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« Reply #29966 on: April 26, 2019, 08:54:58 pm »

Downside:  Everyone will be reckless as shit, having very little to lose.  You think people are irresponsible now.  Especially when it comes to kids.  Expect 3-4 children before age 20 to become commonplace.  And you think social pressure to have kids is bad now.  Imagine it being expected payment for 10 years of life.  Population will skyrocket.  Rampant hard drug usage, too.  Get as much pleasure as possible in as short a time as possible, knowing you won't live long enough for it to catch up with you.  Enjoy your overcrowded death rave.  Edgy stuff usually only works when thinking of people in terms of numbers, not when you think of sociological effects.  Yes, I know you weren't serious.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29967 on: April 26, 2019, 09:02:30 pm »

Did I somehow stumble into a Logan's Run movie?

Because it looks like I stumbled into a Logan's Run movie..

Yeah I think that's the one I was thinking of. Either that or the Soylent Green one, I wasn't sure what the title was that I was remembering.

Definitely Logan's Run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run
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« Reply #29968 on: April 26, 2019, 09:03:54 pm »

Yeah, looked at wiki and it wasn't Soylent Green, though I could see it happening there in order to increase production of Soylent Green.
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« Reply #29969 on: April 26, 2019, 09:04:31 pm »

Yeah, definitely. Having kids would be a societal pressure. Just like NOT having kids is a societal pressure that some think needs to be enacted.

Three kids before 30 certainly would be commonplace, and encouraged. Discussions would change from when to have kids to whether or not you should ethically be sure to have them before 23 if you ever intend to. Your parents would talk to you about family planning the same way they talk to you about college.

Everyone wants to talk about how we should logically run our society, let's do it. And really, who cares if they have an overcrowded death rave? We could set up zones. Let the police guide traffic in and out. We already have insanely overcrowded sports events, and those are managed with machine precision. Hell, overcrowded Nascar races are basically the same thing. We're talking about a sustainable society based on population control, but now we're doing it in a way that we can contribute to. No blaming others, just our own action. We're basically heroes. You wanna get crazy, let's get crazy.
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