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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33285 on: November 22, 2019, 08:18:52 pm »

Legally, that only applies if they have "reasonable suspicion" that you were involved in a crime, otherwise the 4th Amendment makes any such law illegal (Terry V Ohio and Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada being the governing precedent here). The laws also only say "You must identify yourself, and lying about your identity is a crime". Producing an ID card is not generally required. Of course, half the judges in this area have names like Santiago or Hernandez, so the ability of cops to pull shit is a lot weaker.
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« Reply #33286 on: November 22, 2019, 08:57:38 pm »

Iím foreign and thus inherently dangerous, so I have to have my ID, specifically my green card, on me at all times, else itís a misdemeanor immediately.

The amusing thing about it though, as per someone I used to work with who went to the police academy, is that local, county, and state police canít ask me to prove my immigration status Ďcause itís illegal.

Iím white though, so I guess itís less of a problem for me, anyway.
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« Reply #33287 on: November 22, 2019, 09:38:13 pm »

Well the only social skill I ever really picked up was learning how to "be where you're supposed to be" which has a remarkable effect with cops even when they actually catch you doing something, they end up feeling like they need to ask permission to arrest you. I don't know how to explain it better to others than that though, it's the same thing I used to do where I'd wander around the back area of grocery stores or employee areas at parks. Cop pulls me over, they're obviously just in need of help, so I offer assistance and tell them to be careful out there, for me to do something illegal I need to admit the possibility in the first place, no?


Strangely that seems to be what republicans are doing with impeachment btw.
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« Reply #33288 on: November 23, 2019, 02:54:19 am »

I have that too. It's called being white.

A black guy can be talking on his phone in his own back yard and cops will jump over the fence to shoot him. A screaming white man with a gun in a grocery store? Eh, don't rush to judgement, try to talk him down.
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« Reply #33289 on: November 23, 2019, 03:07:23 am »

Not me.  My grizzlebeard with hippy hair engages the "anti-pinko" mode of operation in the more authoritarian of the police force.  I can actually see them silently seething, looking for something-- anything at all, to try and use on me when I get stopped.

I just am so damned squeaky clean, and compliant that they can't, and that seems to make them angrier.  Strange thing.
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« Reply #33290 on: November 23, 2019, 03:37:12 am »

I live in a country that had a dystopian "papers, please" situation for decades. The police used to intentionally screw people over by calling them out of their houses without a chance to fetch their dompas. "Walking while black" was a criminal offence.

We also have mandatory* national ID cards and no-one minds. The context is obviously not exactly the same, but there's nothing inherently dystopian about being required to be able to prove you are who you say you are.

* Not sure if there are actual legal consequences to not having one, but if you don't have one you can't vote, can't write national exams, can't get a drivers', can't get most jobs...
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« Reply #33291 on: November 23, 2019, 10:24:10 am »

I live in a country that had a dystopian "papers, please" situation for decades. The police used to intentionally screw people over by calling them out of their houses without a chance to fetch their dompas. "Walking while black" was a criminal offence.

We also have mandatory* national ID cards and no-one minds. The context is obviously not exactly the same, but there's nothing inherently dystopian about being required to be able to prove you are who you say you are.

* Not sure if there are actual legal consequences to not having one, but if you don't have one you can't vote, can't write national exams, can't get a drivers', can't get most jobs...

When was the mandatory national ID implemented though?
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« Reply #33293 on: November 23, 2019, 11:03:56 am »

Yeah, that's not really a news story. It's a local paper, and the story is that they're applying for the grant. There's no guarantee that the feds will actually end up choosing Iowa State University to receive the grant. It's just a tender, and the story actually says the Feds have put out the tender to at least 6 different universities. The only reason they're spinning how much this will mean for Iowa is that it's an Iowa newspaper.
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« Reply #33294 on: November 23, 2019, 11:20:44 am »

Oh, sorry, I will find something more related to the nation as a whole
apparently Trump is ordering park rangers to patrol the US-Mexico border
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« Reply #33295 on: November 23, 2019, 11:42:30 am »

Seriously? Trump is ordering park rangers to go fight illegal immigrants and the Mexican drug cartels? That's the idiotic stuff that gets people killed. Park Rangers just aren't trained for that work, it's nonsensical.

At best the actual border patrol agents will have to keep these park rangers out of harm's way and supervise them, effectively being counter-productive to have to shepherd people who aren't trained for that work on their temporary assignments.
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« Reply #33296 on: November 23, 2019, 01:27:51 pm »

Park rangers are definitely a demographic that love D. Trump, too.
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« Reply #33297 on: November 23, 2019, 02:28:14 pm »

Love... D? I don't follow.
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« Reply #33298 on: November 23, 2019, 02:29:46 pm »

Oh, sorry, I will find something more related to the nation as a whole
apparently Trump is ordering park rangers to patrol the US-Mexico border

Why? What's the point of doing that? He's also sending park rangers from places nowhere near the border and from places that already have staff shortages.

From reading it, it seems like they're being used like scouts. Wouldn't it be better to use those native to the border areas? /s And no, I don't mean only Native Americans.

Love... D? I don't follow.

You're combining 'Love' and 'D.' when it's not meant to be.
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« Reply #33299 on: November 23, 2019, 03:10:40 pm »

Love... D? I don't follow.

D short for Donald, not D, period.

And it's sarcastic on top of that. Park Rangers tend to dislike Trump due to his aggressive pro-pollution stance.
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