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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34980 on: February 23, 2020, 09:19:49 pm »

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« Reply #34981 on: February 24, 2020, 12:51:12 am »

*reads the news today.
**Notes all the stories in the Mainstream Press complaining about how terrible it is that Sanders is a "socialist," and that young voters don't know what it is 12.
***Tacitly wonders if any of these journalists know that there is a difference between communism and democratic socialism.

New York Times is complaining about how Sander's is "alienating" the establishment democrats
at the same time that their peers are actively plotting to prevent his nomination 12.

Fancy that.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34982 on: February 24, 2020, 01:58:35 am »

US will never improve as long as it demonizes socialism
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« Reply #34983 on: February 24, 2020, 04:59:33 am »

Jeff Bezos' newspaper, Washington Post, got caught lying again. Interesting note: it's harder than expected to find the original article, because of all of the results for washington post lying, or wapo fact-checker lying, etc. Turns out there's no ethical way to be a billionaire, but you can also get very good at being unethical.


Edit: As a bonus, you can, at this point, read their tagline as aspirational.

Kinda sounds like a right-wing sort of beat-up about the "lying MSM". Fact-checking can be wrong.


Not the only time Sanders is sloppy with the numbers, attributing meaning to them that just isn't there:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/bernie-sanders/do-50-million-people-really-lose-health-coverage-e/

Sanders: "Was it 150 million people on private insurance? 50 million of those people lose their private insurance every year when they quit their jobs, or they go unemployed, or their employer changes their insurance policy."

The problem is that the claim that 50 million of "those" 150 million people lose their coverage "every year" is just being super-sloppy with the truth. It's a bullshit claim basically. Common sense says that if 150 million people are insured and 50 million lose coverage every year, nobody would be left on coverage within 3 years. Sure, there's a study, but he's not "quoting" the study, he's pulling a number out then making some bullshit claim.

What the study found is that 24.4% of all adults have no coverage for part or all of the year. Since there are 200 million adults, that's about 50 million people out of the 200 million. But ... logically the 150 million of people who have private health insurances aren't those 50 million, so Sanders is just bonkers wrong in this case. The point he made just plain doesn't make sense with the figures available. The 50 million people without coverage are in addition to the 150 million who have it, not coming out of it, and especially not "every year".

So, the core claim Sanders makes, which boils down to the idea that 1 in 3 people lose their private coverage every year, is just plain nonsensical. It's like noticing that 25% of all people rent, while 75% of people own a home, and then saying "1 in 3 homeowners lose their homes, every year", based merely on the noticed fact that there's 1 renter per 3 homeowners. You can't argue with it because it's so far beyond making sense that you can't get started.

EDIT: I guess you guys are all about blowhards of one type or another now, who say things that don't make any sense. Sadly seems like the best you got. If Sanders is brought up on the facts I'm kinda guessing he doesn't go "oh that's a good point, i seem to have misrepresented the data there", I'm guessing his eyes bug out and he deflects with "it's all well and good to quibble over the figures while 12 out of 10 doctors are being sacrificed to Morgoth on obsidian altars, every single night!"
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34984 on: February 24, 2020, 10:39:43 am »

The Assange trial begins today.  Here's a good brush-up on the facts of it.
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« Reply #34985 on: February 24, 2020, 11:58:14 am »

Yeah, Sanders is pretty standard center-left for most of the world, but when you're in a country where status quo involves trying to exterminate people based on race and/or economic circumstances and taking rights from people to give corporations, that's unacceptably far left.

Most of what he is suggesting were last implemented 100 years ago during the depression.
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« Reply #34986 on: February 24, 2020, 12:50:27 pm »

I'm not politically active. I don't even vote since I don't live in a swing state.

It might be Baffler.
I understand where you're coming from (screw the electoral college) but you might make a difference in local elections.
And even if a race is predetermined, every single vote for a third party is a vote against the sick 2-party stranglehold.  Broadcast that dissatisfaction, don't let them dismiss you as apathetic and unimportant!
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« Reply #34987 on: February 24, 2020, 01:34:18 pm »

DNC primary is this Saturday in South Carolina, and I want to participate this time.  I just realized I still haven't fixed my voter registration, which caused me issues 4 years ago for the presidential election, so I just filled out the online form to fix my registration.

I think I may have shot myself in the foot.  Based on what I just read, I may be ineligible to vote at all until I get my new registration in the mail, which may not happen before Saturday...
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34988 on: February 24, 2020, 02:31:58 pm »

I'm not politically active. I don't even vote since I don't live in a swing state.
It might be Baffler.
I understand where you're coming from (screw the electoral college) but you might make a difference in local elections.
And even if a race is predetermined, every single vote for a third party is a vote against the sick 2-party stranglehold.  Broadcast that dissatisfaction, don't let them dismiss you as apathetic and unimportant!

Such votes are utterly inconsequential though, and thus a waste of effort.
Even if your aim is to make a statement, knowing there is no chance of winning, but just wanting to let the population know that there are people out there willing to stand against the major parties. In order to even get enough votes to be recognized in that capacity a movement would have to be started by somebody with enough money and influence to actually be noticed. Short of joining such a movement, there's just no point in even voting.
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« Reply #34989 on: February 24, 2020, 02:47:28 pm »

Reelya, if you're annoyed at Sanders for not being great at presenting statistics, may I direct your ire instead at a high quality outlet named fox news? :3
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« Reply #34990 on: February 24, 2020, 02:49:38 pm »

I'm not politically active. I don't even vote since I don't live in a swing state.
It might be Baffler.
I understand where you're coming from (screw the electoral college) but you might make a difference in local elections.
And even if a race is predetermined, every single vote for a third party is a vote against the sick 2-party stranglehold.  Broadcast that dissatisfaction, don't let them dismiss you as apathetic and unimportant!

Such votes are utterly inconsequential though, and thus a waste of effort.
Even if your aim is to make a statement, knowing there is no chance of winning, but just wanting to let the population know that there are people out there willing to stand against the major parties. In order to even get enough votes to be recognized in that capacity a movement would have to be started by somebody with enough money and influence to actually be noticed. Short of joining such a movement, there's just no point in even voting.
Respectfully disagree, but I didn't really explain my thought sufficiently.  Yeah 3rd party votes can't win the final election (in presidential elections, or the vast majority of congressional elections) but I say that's a self fulfilling prophecy.  People vote for the two parties when they really care, because third parties have no chance and the party they hate is horrible.  And people who would be third party voters don't vote, because they think it's pointless.

But whenever one of those jaded later people *does* vote for a third party?  It weakens the idea that only the two parties can win. 

Abstainers are dismissed as uninterested.  People who vote third party are seen as *particularly* interested, in that they're willing to take the effort to vote for hopeless causes.  They represent icebergs of opinion within the mainline pragmatic voters.

I'm probably going to vote within the two-party framework, but I might not.  Democratic primary isn't over yet.  They don't own me.
But not voting at all is just a missed opportunity.  It could be seen as a vote of no confidence, but a vote for a third party does that far better.  So I truly want people who wouldn't vote, to vote against this BS false dichotomy, as an act of demonstration which will show up on *every result statistic*.

Edit: A vote for Batman is a bigger middle finger to the corrupt state of affairs than staying home is.
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« Reply #34991 on: February 24, 2020, 02:54:29 pm »

Clearly the path forward is to write in Chuck Tingle.
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« Reply #34992 on: February 24, 2020, 02:58:16 pm »

But the people already get pounded in the butt by the government on a daily basis!
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« Reply #34993 on: February 24, 2020, 03:01:27 pm »

Chuck Tingle promises not to pound you in the butt unless it's consensual.
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« Reply #34994 on: February 24, 2020, 03:24:05 pm »

Chuck Tingle promises not to pound you in the butt unless it's consensual.
This already sounds like a massive improvement.
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