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[misko27]

It is at this point in time almost impossible to predict what will happen in the election. With a crisis this huge, things could swing radically in any and all directions.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Biden doesn't have an energized base. He doesn't even have a base. What he has is the structures of power instructing the public to vote for him, in order to avoid Bernie.

But do not forget: It took 30 years, three campaigns, and the entire force of the media and American oligarchy to make Joe Biden, rapist and segregationist, win a single primary.

Bernie's support is with those you actually need to win the election - those who do not vote, those who are alienated from the political establishment, and also nearly every demographic under the age of 40.

Biden might be made President, if he remains technically living enough to be awarded it, but it will be an award - even Trump earned his victory more than Biden ever could. It will be a victory of vast uncontrolled forces happening to array against Trump, a victory of black swans. And if Trump manages to get that UBI thing passed somehow you can say goodbye to even that possibility.

The fact that Bernie has done as well as he has with everyone with power to throw around trying to get ride of him demonstrates his viability. Joe Biden had to be literally given Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg's campaigns to get anywhere.

Just remember: Trump is good news for the powers that be. Biden is merely acceptable news. The help that he's been given will evaporate should he survive to become the nominee, and go over to the White House instead.

Have fun winning an election with just boomers. However many are left by November, that is.

[nenjin]

I agree with MSH. The only reason Biden is viable is he inherited the voters from everyone else that everyone else wanted first. His lackluster campaign reminds me a lot of when John Kerry ran.

[misko27]

As someone who works as an election employee and has worked at every single election - local, primary, or general - in the last 5 years, let me assure you that you could win any election in the country if you had the support of all the elderly because they're the only ones who vote (they are, coincidentally, a disproportionately large number of the election workers as well, but that's because the long hours but decent pay are well-suited to retired folks needing supplemental income). By almost absurd margins.

Recently when I working in an election a fellow employee, who was balding, and was comparatively one of the young'uns there, commented to me about how many incredibly old people were there voting. His tone indicated that he grouped himself with me rather than they. It's not even impossible that he was in fact closer to me in age than he was to them.

Have fun winning an election with just boomers. However many are left by November, that is.

I really hope we're not going to perpetuate the myth that the only people at risk are boomers. In a study, over 50% of adults in West Virginia was thought to be in an at-risk category for COVID-19, the most vulnerable state in the nation. Not because of an overabundance of elderly, but because of smoking, asthma, Black Lung.

[BurnedToast]

1. Biden has the same base the democrats have had for the last 30+ years, even if you hate them they still exist.

2. People who don't vote are already "priced in" to politics, so to speak. We don't need them, because they don't vote. This is not something new, it's not like young people stopped voting in the last 4 - 8 years, young people have never reliably voted. Remember: trump won the election by ~77,000 votes last election. We don't need some sudden surge of new voters to beat some insurmountable mountain of trump support, we just need a few people who hated clinton to vote and a few people who finally realized what a dirtbag trump is to not vote.

3. Yes, everything is a conspiracy against sanders just like the fake news conspiracy against trump. Let me ask you this, if the wealthy elite oligarchy that secretly runs the world hates freedom so much... why aren't they republicans? Why even have a viable democratic party? If it's all some giant conspiracy to trick people into thinking they have a choice why would they ever let sanders win even if he got the most votes? If they are willing to rig the polls why did they let him get as far as he did instead of choking him the cradle, so to speak? We're really getting into pizzagate-tier territory here.

4. As for "just boomers" I'll leave this quote from quinnipiac university as of march 9th:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

In head to head matchups with President Trump among registered voters, Biden gets support from more than half of registered voters against the incumbent president, while Sanders does not. Biden leads Trump 52 - 41 percent, and Sanders leads Trump 49 - 42 percent.

Looking at favorabilities among registered voters, Biden is by far the most favorably viewed. Biden is viewed favorably by 45 percent and unfavorably by 40 percent, while Sanders gets a negative 40 - 46 percent favorability rating. Trump is the least popular of the three candidates with a negative 39 - 58 percent favorability rating.

Biden and Sanders also do better than Trump when it comes to candidate traits. While 62 percent say Sanders is honest and 51 percent say Biden is honest, only 33 percent say Trump is honest. Biden has good leadership skills say 52 percent of voters, while 45 percent say Sanders has good leadership skills and 42 percent say Trump has good leadership skills. On empathy, 64 percent say Sanders cares about average Americans, while 59 percent say Biden cares about average Americans, and 43 percent say Trump cares about average Americans.

Both Biden and Sanders beat Trump on the question of who would do a better job handling a crisis. Biden beats Trump 56 - 40 percent on this question, while Sanders tops Trump 50 - 44 percent.

"Perhaps most troubling for the Trump camp in these numbers is the comparative assessment of which candidate can handle a crisis: it is Biden hands down. Couple that with an approval rating frozen in the low forties and comparatively terrible numbers on leadership, honesty, and empathy for fellow Americans, and team Trump has a formidable fight ahead," Malloy added.

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I agree with MSH. The only reason Biden is viable is he inherited the voters from everyone else that everyone else wanted first. His lackluster campaign reminds me a lot of when John Kerry ran.

And if sanders had inherited those voters instead it would have been because of his great leadership and excellent campaigning skills, and proof that he's the superior candidate of course.

[misko27]

To be honest the election is a million miles away in any case. Look at the trendlines for this crisis and tell me honestly you can predict what's going to happen in a month? Much less eight months.

Don't we have a Stimulus bill to be arguing over, anyway? And unemployment numbers! No, worse, those aren't unemployment numbers, those are unemployment claims. Which specifically ignore part-timers, self-employed, etc. etc.

Spoiler: This is absolutely terrifying (click to show/hide)

[nenjin]

At a minimum they would have gone to the guy that was handily beating all other candidates up to that point.

Yes, everything is a conspiracy against sanders just like the fake news conspiracy against trump. Let me ask you this, if the wealthy elite oligarchy that secretly runs the world hates freedom so much... why aren't they republicans? Why even have a viable democratic party? If it's all some giant conspiracy to trick people into thinking they have a choice why would they ever let sanders win even if he got the most votes? If they are willing to rig the polls why did they let him get as far as he did instead of choking him the cradle, so to speak? We're really getting into pizzagate-tier territory here.

What, you think all rich people who have less interest in democracy than getting their way all belong to the same secret club? Now who is huffing conspiracy theories. Michael Bloomberg isn't Rupert Murdoch isn't George Soros isn't Jeff Bezos, even though they're all insanely rich and use their money to buy influence.

And I think you have to be completely blind to not see how the media not so subtlety and repeatedly tried to sideline Bernie, literally talking around his numbers because they didn't fit the narrative.

[SalmonGod]

3. Yes, everything is a conspiracy against sanders just like the fake news conspiracy against trump. Let me ask you this, if the wealthy elite oligarchy that secretly runs the world hates freedom so much... why aren't they republicans? Why even have a viable democratic party? If it's all some giant conspiracy to trick people into thinking they have a choice why would they ever let sanders win even if he got the most votes? If they are willing to rig the polls why did they let him get as far as he did instead of choking him the cradle, so to speak? We're really getting into pizzagate-tier territory here.

Pizza-gate was made up from nothing.

The complaints about how the Democrat primaries are based on verifiable trends in the media, leaked documents showing Democrat ties to that media, verifiable money-following, things upper-tier Democrats have openly stated to the public, and a court case where the DNC's defense was literally "we're a private corporate with no obligation of fairness to the voting public."  It wasn't "there was no rigging".  It was a big "fuck you voters".

You can argue that stuff is misinterpreted or exaggerated in significance all you want, but to call it pizza-gate tier is grossly dishonest.

Also, there was never a conspiracy against Trump.  There was a conspiracy FOR Trump, organized by the Clinton campaign & DNC that gave him shitloads of free publicity.  Let me just share that for the 3rd time in this thread.  One of these times it's going to stick.

[bloop_bleep]

Guillotines anyone? Or would you prefer sausage machines?

[Iduno]

Guillotines anyone? Or would you prefer sausage machines?

You want to drain the meat of the blood first (you can render the blood for further use, however), so I'm going to go with "first one, and then the other."

[martinuzz]

Heh, the US government just put a 15 million dollar bounty on Nicolás Maduro's head, they want to arrest him, and 14 others for 'narcoterrorism'.

EDIT: not his actual head, 15 million dollar reward for information that leads to his arrest.
EDIT2: additionally, there's another 10 million dollar reward for information leading to the arrest of vice-president Diosdado Cabello, and others close to the president, like the minister of Defense and the head of the Venezoelan supreme court.

[sluissa]

I feel like bounties on rival heads of state... even heads of state that are arguably hostile... without being in a full on war, is probably not a great idea.

[Doomblade187]

What even sparked putting bounties on the Venezuelan heads of state?

[martinuzz]

Putting bounties on heads of state is usually bad practice indeed, conventions about diplomatic immunity etc.
Must be said that there are few countries left in the world that recognize Maduro as president of Venezuela.

What even sparked putting bounties on the Venezuelan heads of state?

According to US minister of Justice, William Barr, 'Maduro has turned his country into a criminal organistation, using it's airforce bases to smuggle cocaine into the US'.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Venezuela continues to commit the horrid crime of not being a puppet state of the US. Personally, I think they should get a crash nuclear program as soon as possible, unlike Iran they don't have much else to deter US aggression.