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[WealthyRadish]

I can't really justify it rationally, but I've come to suspect that Pence's ultraconservative persona is a complete fabrication on his part, or at least it was originally until possibly consuming the rest of his personality. I recall reading that he was fairly desperate financially after his first failed bid at politics (he wasn't rich and felt compelled to do things like steal from his campaign to pay his mortgage) and only lucked back into a successful bid after a period in the wilderness (relatively speaking).

Something about the abrupt transition from being a radio talk show host to the unconvincingly pompous bootlicking he currently exudes makes me wary of categorizing him as a "true believer"; I can see it being just as likely that he's merely blundered into a successful niche and is too spineless to exist beyond it. But again, there's no evidence of this, and even if there were I don't think it would make a material difference.

[scriver]

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1279575273365594112

FUKKEN LOL

IT. IS. HAPPENING!!!!!!

[Loud Whispers]

Yeezy 2020

[sluissa]

Didn't even realize he was still alive.

[scriver]

Where is Childish Gambino now, when we need him the most?

[Doomblade187]

Where is Childish Gambino now, when we need him the most?

Probably making music in quarantine.

[Iduno]

With the rest of this year, you might as well have an independent Kanye spoil the election and toss it over to Congress. At which point the House elects Biden as President and the Senate elects Pence as Vice President.

Fucking yikes.

Yeah, that is the worst-case scenario.

[ChairmanPoo]

With the rest of this year, you might as well have an independent Kanye spoil the election and toss it over to Congress. At which point the House elects Biden as President and the Senate elects Pence as Vice President.

Fucking yikes.

Yeah, that is the worst-case scenario.

Wrong

[Iduno]

Interesting question. The sale of Mount Rushmore was refused, so it is still legally Lakota property. People of the Lakota Nation protesting on what is legally their land, were attacked at gassed.

We all know nothing will come of it, but isn't attacking people of another nation with chemical weapons a war crime? Especially when they are on their own land, and you are invading without permission?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There's a case for it, but the world would have to recognize the Lakota nation as being a nation. The language of the US government itself recognizes the native governments as "domestic dependent nations" - so, taking both sides at once. I don't know if any of the rest of the world recognizes the native governments.

It would be hilarious for this to turn into another kerfuffle with Gorsuch's extreme literalism and see him charge his own government with terrorism for this, among other things.

[Loud Whispers]

Aren't they already nations, just not sovereign nations?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's a complicated topic, but no. The native governments most certainly assert that they are sovereign nations, and US law does largely agree with that, when the US actually cares to follow its own laws on this topic.

The recognized tribal nations are considered sovereign - they have the right to pass their own laws separate from state or federal law, to operate their own governments, and not to be superseded in the municipal/state/federal hierarchy that US law has. At the same time, crimes involving non-natives on tribal lands are elevated either to the federal government if one party is a tribal member or to the relevant state government if no parties are tribal members. The native governments have immunity to most lawsuits just like the US federal government does.

This is why you have the classic example of native governments operating casinos - the states surrounding them ban gambling, but their law means nothing on tribal land. The sovereign immunity means even most lawsuits in federal court can't be launched against them. You've also seen this crop up with the covid lockdown, where the Navajo nation (the physically largest native government by far) enacted a total lockdown and road blockade, which they have not lifted since even with the surrounding states threatening to use force against them for it. For once, that's a bluff - the state governments could get themselves in serious fucking trouble violating tribal sovereignty, at least for a recognized tribe in the modern day.

Treaties will also sometimes extend this beyond tribal lands, because the states and federal government back in the day sure liked to make wide-ranging promises. One of the cases where people detected Gorsuch's bias in favor of native rights was one such scenario, Herrera v. Wyoming, where the Supreme Court affirmed that members of the Crow Tribe had the right to completely ignore Wyoming's hunting laws (out of season, no tags, whatever) under the 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie so long as they were hunting on unoccupied land, because that was what the treaty promises them. And national forests count as unoccupied.

[Bumber]

Interesting question. The sale of Mount Rushmore was refused, so it is still legally Lakota property. People of the Lakota Nation protesting on what is legally their land, were attacked at gassed.

We all know nothing will come of it, but isn't attacking people of another nation with chemical weapons a war crime? Especially when they are on their own land, and you are invading without permission?

I mean, its not like the US really respected land rights of any tribe at any point in time. Manifest destiny, eminent domain, and whatnot. There was that whole Keystone XL Pipeline thing in recent years.

[Max™]

Nevermind, I don't care.

[ChairmanPoo]

They did it in 2015. They might have a guild navigator onboard. Just saying