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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #42270 on: November 25, 2020, 06:07:46 pm »


3. As above, and Presidential pardons can also be used for indefinite future crimes. Nobody has ever tried to do this, but proponents of Unitary Executive Theory (i.e., the President can basically do whatever they want) have issued commentary that they consider it valid.

So technically Trump could pardon himself in advance for having every single last Artreides Democrat, Mexican and black person assasinated and becoming God-Emperor for life?
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« Reply #42271 on: November 25, 2020, 06:08:50 pm »

I mean, no. Murder is still a crime at the state level. Also I don't think that "I can never be prosecuted for a federal crime again!" would fly in reality as well as in the fevered minds of galaxy brain lawyers who think Article II makes the US a monarchy as long as the President is a Republican.
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« Reply #42272 on: November 25, 2020, 06:11:33 pm »

I mean, no. Murder is still a crime at the state level.
That's why I said ' have assasinated'.  Leading a nation-wide assasination plot surely is federal level?
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« Reply #42273 on: November 25, 2020, 06:14:18 pm »

Under the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine, the states and the federal government can prosecute people for crimes completely independently of one another.
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« Reply #42274 on: November 25, 2020, 09:03:25 pm »

Also, apparently to ecological footprint of hemp bags-for-life, usually emblazened with an "I'm green!" message for fashionable bragging rights,  compared to plastic ones, is much, much worse. Though I can't find the definitive figure on this right this now, it's something like a hemp bag needs to be used hundreds of time to out-green a tough plastic bag used for dozens of jobs. (Though maybe they'd ultimately be better if 'lost' in a ditch.)

This https://www.sei.org/publications/ecological-footprint-water-analysis-cotton-hemp-polyester/ might be interesting reading (well actually the pdf report linked at bottom).  I'll not overanalyse it but quick take is that organic traditional hemp comes out on top, with polyester (->PET) middling to bad (with significant differences with regard to European and American processes, can you guess which one is worse  ;)).  The study is a decade and half old now.

But... and this is where the above results can be deceptive this is per weight of produced fibre, and I'll hazard a guess that hemp bags are substantially (but not hundreds of times?) heavier than thicker polyester large bags for life.

But2... there is also the rest of the life cycle, and hemp rotting in a ditch is far preferable (imo) to plastic gyres or food chain infestation.
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« Reply #42275 on: November 25, 2020, 09:13:59 pm »

and I'll hazard a guess that hemp bags are substantially (but not hundreds of times?) heavier than thicker polyester large bags for life.
Well, technically hundreds/dozens of times, in my vague numeric example. Which is slightly less than tens of times in Fermi-like approximation. Which I could believe.

Anyway, if I were forced to smoke exactly one type of bag, I probably would be best to avoid the plastic one... ;)
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« Reply #42276 on: November 25, 2020, 09:44:59 pm »

Aye, baggies of hemp are sooo much better for health than baggies of polyester.


 
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« Reply #42277 on: November 25, 2020, 09:49:44 pm »

With things like plastic bags/cloth I understand that it might mean more Co2 emissions, but that's not really the problem with plastic bags. It's their effect on things like wildlife and ground water.

Those issues are eliminated with hemp.
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« Reply #42278 on: November 25, 2020, 09:58:56 pm »

IIRC, part of the pushback against cloth bags is the washing of them, which also has an environmental impact.
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« Reply #42279 on: November 25, 2020, 10:06:36 pm »

I...... have never ever washed one of those. Was I meant to? Am I nasty? I guess if I spilled some crap in it or something I would.
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« Reply #42280 on: November 26, 2020, 02:21:10 am »

Has anyone ever washed a bag?
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« Reply #42281 on: November 26, 2020, 02:25:28 am »

IIRC, part of the pushback against cloth bags is the washing of them, which also has an environmental impact.

My wife is convinced that cling wrap is better for the environment than tupperware because you have to wash tupperware. I think people get over-emphasized on water conservation and forget the fact that almost all industrial processes use water as well.

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« Reply #42282 on: November 26, 2020, 02:40:00 am »

IIRC, part of the pushback against cloth bags is the washing of them, which also has an environmental impact.

My wife is convinced that cling wrap is better for the environment than tupperware because you have to wash tupperware. I think people get over-emphasized on water conservation and forget the fact that almost all industrial processes use water as well.

She might be right. Consider that if you look at the water needed for washing tupperware vs the water needed to make the clingwrap you're missing the water also needed to make the tupperware. Assuming plastic per weight uses the same amount of water, then you should compare the water needed to produce 1 pound of clingwrap vs 1 pound of tupperware containers as being the same. Then, any water used to wash the tupperware each time you re-use the tupperware is on top of that. Assuming that makng that single piece of clingwrap uses more water than washing the tupperware, there would come a break-even point, but after many many uses. Maybe 50 bits of clingwrap uses the same water as that one tupperware container to manufacture, and each wash uses half the amount of water as making 1 bit of clingwrap. With those figures, you need to use the piece of tupperware 100 times to break even.
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« Reply #42283 on: November 26, 2020, 02:52:52 am »

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« Reply #42284 on: November 26, 2020, 05:20:11 am »

@Reelya
Generally, you'd be putting clingwrap over a container, though. You're still going to have to wash that container, so you might as well be throwing a tupperware lid in with it.
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