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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49605 on: September 15, 2022, 11:01:09 pm »

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49607 on: September 16, 2022, 06:39:25 am »

Pretty insane the US just has headlines like, 'This dude performed human trafficking to get some votes from xenophobes!'

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« Reply #49608 on: September 16, 2022, 04:26:35 pm »

Seems like a stupid strategy overall.

1) These Republican Governors are giving their rivals an opportunity to look decent.
2) They're also exceeding their authority as State Officials by interfering with Federal Issues. What if ICE were just about to deport someone they just moved?
3) Other State Governors can just order the buses/planes/etc to turn around, now that the tactic is known.

The big problem is that we're letting the Far Right and Far Left vote. 
Used to be that the Federal Government would crack down on those groups, so they were unable to build up political support.  Now they curry their favor.

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« Reply #49609 on: September 16, 2022, 04:41:54 pm »

I need to get off the internet for a bit because I'm losing my temper, but:

Used to be that the Federal Government would crack down on those groups, so they were unable to build up political support.  Now they curry their favor.

The govt cracked down on the Far Right at what time, exactly? I know about the MOVE bombing, for example. I know about how they killed 19 year old Fred Hampton and declared a war on marijuana and crack cocaine in order to disrupt Black and hippie organizing after the 60s.

When have the feds done shit about the KKK or other far right groups? What far-reaching changes have we had to our society, what "wars" have been declared, what bombs dropped and rifles shot in order to finish white supremacy? When did this happen, and to whom?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49610 on: September 16, 2022, 04:50:23 pm »

that damned Far Left and their plots to

- not get killed by police
- not get killed by their doctors
- not get killed by racists
- not get killed by their employers
- not get killed by irreversible climate damage
- not get killed by crushing debt

smh

fuckin' hell, let's just go back to letting only land-owning white men vote, that way we won't have the far left clamoring about things like not getting killed and the far right won't seem so important because all their demands are met

just like the founders intended
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« Reply #49611 on: September 16, 2022, 05:08:53 pm »

Yeah the American Far Left and Far Right are not analagous.

The Far Left don’t target and murder black folks in their churches, gay folks in their clubs, drive cars into protesters, storm the center of government, plot to kidnap governors, and that’s off the top of my head.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49612 on: September 16, 2022, 05:17:28 pm »

oh, i forgot

that damned Far Left and their President of the United States, Joe Biden, who is a Communist according to LITERALLY EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THEIR TACIT APPROVAL OF THE TALKING POINTS OF THEIR MOUTHPIECES

stop them from voting, they've penetrated up to the highest seat in the office
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« Reply #49613 on: September 16, 2022, 05:23:43 pm »

I need to get off the internet for a bit because I'm losing my temper, but:

Used to be that the Federal Government would crack down on those groups, so they were unable to build up political support.  Now they curry their favor.

The govt cracked down on the Far Right at what time, exactly? I know about the MOVE bombing, for example. I know about how they killed 19 year old Fred Hampton and declared a war on marijuana and crack cocaine in order to disrupt Black and hippie organizing after the 60s.

When have the feds done shit about the KKK or other far right groups? What far-reaching changes have we had to our society, what "wars" have been declared, what bombs dropped and rifles shot in order to finish white supremacy? When did this happen, and to whom?

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/kkk-series

I only knew about it because someone in my area worked on the KKK investigations.
Hence my not talking out of my ass, and wishing we had more of it.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49614 on: September 16, 2022, 05:46:09 pm »

oh, i forgot

that damned Far Left and their President of the United States, Joe Biden, who is a Communist according to LITERALLY EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THEIR TACIT APPROVAL OF THE TALKING POINTS OF THEIR MOUTHPIECES

stop them from voting, they've penetrated up to the highest seat in the office

I fucking wish Biden was half as scary or radical repubs love to paint him.
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« Reply #49615 on: September 16, 2022, 05:46:49 pm »

Well, I stand corrected...
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« Reply #49616 on: September 16, 2022, 05:56:40 pm »

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/kkk-series

I only knew about it because someone in my area worked on the KKK investigations.
Hence my not talking out of my ass, and wishing we had more of it.

i like the parts where the fed only got involved after they were unable to use the post, telegraph, or telephone, or where they drafted a man so he wouldn't get lynched for draft dodging, or did the heroic thing of 'learning that the leader of a multi-racial group called the Knights of Labor was worried about another labor leader's abduction and promised to protect the guy and tapped in civilian resources like 'the citizen volunteers against draft evasion' to convince the KKK to disband,

or heroically responded to singular KKK members after they murdered people in 1923 or talked back to businessmen who said they'd whip fbi agents or was 'the one reliable law enforcement agency in mississippi in the 1960s' or stopped two bombers in 1997.

No wars, no bombs, the pinnacle of achievement was some semblance of law in Mississippi. No fundamental addressing of how the law was enforced across the rest of the country, no ideological contest, no reformation of the law, just enforcement and response.

And they did it all in just under 80 years! Truly breakneck social change. In a fraction of that time, we bombed black neighborhoods and killed unsuspecting black civilians with syphilis for science and called in the military to shoot dead striking laborers.

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You know what the National Guard didn't do? Threaten the legal representation for KKK members with fucking Gatling guns!
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« Reply #49617 on: September 16, 2022, 07:06:13 pm »

Yeah, EJ, I think it's clear the US has been far harsher on the Far Left than on the Right. Every progressive leader on the Left gets stalked by the CIA while leaders of the KKK don't get treated with the same vitreol.

The goals of the left are also not really comparable to the right. At worst, the left is seeking to destroy the American government system, while not even the worst of the Right are seeking ethnic cleansing.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49618 on: September 16, 2022, 09:54:04 pm »

If I may go all conspirational here, it seems probable that the reason is that leftists generally want to redistribute power (ie wealth, because they're functionally the same thing) whereas the right's a lot more concerned with making sure the *correct* people have power. Depending on how far right you go, that ranges from "The rich" to "Anyone that's not a [slur], [slur], [slur], [slur], [slur] or [slur]"

So the left challenges present power structures, the right generally wants to reinforce them.
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« Reply #49619 on: September 16, 2022, 10:04:38 pm »

Yeah, that.

Sure there are right-freedom "libertarians" who abide (and inbibe) weed, but at this point I feel confident saying they aren't actually for liberty.  I have at least one such cousin and, while he IS pretty cool about social justice stuff, he's certainly farther from from anarcho-communism or even anarcho-syndicalism than I am.  Idealistically I have found he's less for liberty in a government sense, and more for it in a personal sense.

The classic thing is that he'd like his "property" protected by the state.
He also enjoys cheating the state through loopholes, and likes to think that makes him anarchic rather than a leech.
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