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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6825 on: May 26, 2017, 05:02:14 pm »

Can't they take away Trump's security clearance as well, while they're at it?

Is it legally possible to do that with a president in office?
Its highly unlikely to happen in an official way.  As the leader of the executive branch, the president is the final authority on what's classified and what isn't.

In a scenario in which a president is halfway through an impeachment trial and starts handing out our state secrets out of spite, I could see the cabinet and generals "forgetting" to tell the president anything ever.  They have no authority to do that but they might be beyond punishment if the president is clearly sinking.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6826 on: May 26, 2017, 05:18:37 pm »

Well, they might be able to charge Trump with Treason if he starts doing that.

*Checks definition*

Ok, it would be a tough but not impossible case to win... Though there are likely better things you can charge Trump with should he start to intentionally self-destruct the USA (Well more then he currently is anyway)
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6827 on: May 26, 2017, 06:24:01 pm »

Well, they might be able to charge Trump with Treason if he starts doing that.

*Checks definition*

Ok, it would be a tough but not impossible case to win... Though there are likely better things you can charge Trump with should he start to intentionally self-destruct the USA (Well more then he currently is anyway)

Personally, I'd go with corruption type charges.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6828 on: May 26, 2017, 06:53:28 pm »

It appears that Kushner wanted to set up a secret comms channel with Russia and use Russian facilities. Since Kushner actually wanted to use Russian equipment, the Russians themselves were surprised by that due to the security risk. Never mind the extreme naivete displayed by Kushner.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6829 on: May 26, 2017, 07:02:45 pm »

Can't they take away Trump's security clearance as well, while they're at it?

Is it legally possible to do that with a president in office?
It's literally impossible because, and I shit you not, the modern American infosec system is defined not by law but by a single executive order. And yes, that does mean that, if he ever wanted to, Donald Trump could unilaterally withdraw this order and at least in theory declassify everything in one fell swoop.


Oh, and 538 did an article on the loyalty of Republican institutions towards Trump, it's an interesting read.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6830 on: May 26, 2017, 10:22:35 pm »

Can't they take away Trump's security clearance as well, while they're at it?

Is it legally possible to do that with a president in office?
It's literally impossible because, and I shit you not, the modern American infosec system is defined not by law but by a single executive order. And yes, that does mean that, if he ever wanted to, Donald Trump could unilaterally withdraw this order and at least in theory declassify everything in one fell swoop.


Oh, and 538 did an article on the loyalty of Republican institutions towards Trump, it's an interesting read.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6831 on: May 27, 2017, 06:29:12 am »

Lol, Wall street journal reports that White House staff is developing a plan to make it possible to subject Trump's tweets to a lawyer before tweeting them, because they fear the tweets could get the government in serious legal trouble.

One of Trump's advisors puts it this way: "we need to develop a system where tweets don't enter the universum directly from Trump's brain.

The chance that Trump will agree with the plan is deemed very small.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/wall-street-journal-witte-huis-wil-tweets-trump-vooraf-door-advocaten-laten-controleren~a4497475/
paywalled WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyeing-white-house-shakeup-1495831679
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6832 on: May 27, 2017, 08:15:44 am »

So... My opinion that Trump should get off Twitter...

Is apparently the government's opinion as well.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6833 on: May 27, 2017, 08:59:39 am »

He'd probably just create an alt account for the stuff that doesn't get through.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6834 on: May 27, 2017, 09:29:03 am »

He'd probably just create an alt account for the stuff that doesn't get through.

Which isn't a bad idea, considering there's like a million Donald Trump accounts on Twitter and as long as nobody gives it a blue checkmark it'll be impossible to tell apart from the parody tweets those accounts generate.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6835 on: May 27, 2017, 10:02:58 am »

A full on reverse Poe...
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6836 on: May 27, 2017, 10:07:09 am »

There can only be ONE POTUS account though.

Whether it's lawyers or staffers or whatever, Trumps tweets do need vetting, unfortunately, and yes he'll chafe under that all right.

You know, they're going to have to vet even the 3 AM tweets....
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6837 on: May 27, 2017, 12:28:54 pm »

If he doesn't tweet it he'll just say it, anyway.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6838 on: May 27, 2017, 12:31:17 pm »

It is unlikely that any meaningful restrictions could be placed on Trump's tweeting. He can fire anybody who tries to constrain him. His existing reputation actually serves him in the goal of remaining on Twitter.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6839 on: May 27, 2017, 02:24:31 pm »

Bets on how severely Trump is going to piss off the military community by making some Memorial Day event all about him?
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