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Author Topic: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'  (Read 310254 times)

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Re: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'
« Reply #15150 on: November 14, 2017, 09:54:03 pm »

It's inevitable that they'll collide since they'll have to reconcile differences between the two (hence the title). They could just not reconcile the differences, but there's so many differences that it would matter which bill someone decides to follow the law of.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. There is only going to be one bill out of this process and it has to pass both chambers like any other legislation; if they fail to reconcile the differences enough for both chambers to pass the same bill, there is no bill.
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« Reply #15151 on: November 14, 2017, 10:01:19 pm »

That is his point. Odds are either they'll get pass nothing, or the House will just pass whatever the hell the Senate passes just to "get something done".
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« Reply #15152 on: November 14, 2017, 10:07:48 pm »

It's inevitable that they'll collide since they'll have to reconcile differences between the two (hence the title). They could just not reconcile the differences, but there's so many differences that it would matter which bill someone decides to follow the law of.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. There is only going to be one bill out of this process and it has to pass both chambers like any other legislation; if they fail to reconcile the differences enough for both chambers to pass the same bill, there is no bill.

I guess that's a slight misunderstanding on my part, nvm. Maybe I thought they'd go and try to pass both bills, as crazy as that sounds.

That is his point. Odds are either they'll get pass nothing, or the House will just pass whatever the hell the Senate passes just to "get something done".

Or that. Or pass both. They're desperate enough to flout the usual processes.
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Re: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'
« Reply #15153 on: November 14, 2017, 10:09:36 pm »

As pointed out on 538 today, the House isn't much more stable than the Senate. Not only is there the impossible riddle of pleasing both the Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group, but the Clinton-region Republicans and the NY/NJ Republicans would both fuck themselves by voting for the bill as written.
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« Reply #15154 on: November 14, 2017, 10:37:06 pm »


I guess that's a slight misunderstanding on my part, nvm. Maybe I thought they'd go and try to pass both bills, as crazy as that sounds.


Or maybe you were thinking of the normal cross-chamber amendments process? That can sometimes look like passing both the House and Senate versions of a bill, even though it's only one final piece of legislation.

It's unlikely in this case, though. Of the three routes legislation can go through Congress, major legislation that's this complicated and important almost always goes to a conference committee, rather than being passed by both the House and Senate outright or being repeatedly amended in each house until an identical text passes both of them. Since it's doomed to a conference committee anyway, both houses are free to pass the most extreme lunacy they want and then go back to their donors and say "well, we passed the bill you wanted, but the other house made us compromise and this was the best those jerks would let us do."
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« Reply #15155 on: November 14, 2017, 10:40:41 pm »

The House already passed their bill though didn't they? They definetly have their work cut out for them in trying to reconcile the two bills as the differences are so big. Adding the individual mandate in there just makes things that much harder, so really, it's potentially going to fuck all of the Republicans, it just depends on how you approach it.

And then there's that wildcard of Moore, assuming they don't pass it by December 12th and expelling Moore fails, nobody knows how he would vote and he very well could vote no just to spite the establishment.

I agree that he isn't fit for Congress, but seriously, the Republicans deserve it for the way they've turned their party into. So. I kind of secretly hope he does win and stay in that seat because this is the culmination of the kind of politics that they've been fostering.


I guess that's a slight misunderstanding on my part, nvm. Maybe I thought they'd go and try to pass both bills, as crazy as that sounds.


Or maybe you were thinking of the normal cross-chamber amendments process? That can sometimes look like passing both the House and Senate versions of a bill, even though it's only one final piece of legislation.

Possibly.
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« Reply #15156 on: November 15, 2017, 01:40:29 am »

While it's mostly an unrelated shitshow, the Hannity-Moore-Keuriggate thing is just becoming farcical.

To recap for those of you at home:

Roy Moore (Republican Senate candidate, disbarred former Alabama Supreme Court Justice, and part-time drugstore cowboy) was accused by a woman of having made sexual advances towards her when he was in his 30s and she was 14. Ruh-roh.

Moore denied the allegations, which were then followed by two other women who claimed he tried to date them when they were 16 and 18, respectively. Other former colleagues came out and said that it was "common knowledge" that Moore had a thing for dating high-school age girls in his 30s (when he was a deputy Attorney General).

Moore's campaign manager gave one of the worst possible defenses by citing the Bible and claiming that because the Bible is full of older men shacking up with young women, there's "nothing immoral or illegal about it, just maybe unusual". Also known as the O.J. Simpson "If I Did It" defense.


Enter Sean Hannity (FOX News pundit and talking neck).
Hannity defended Moore on his program last week, painting the whole affair as a Democratic hatchet job and even intimating that if it is true, well there's nothing wrong with taking a 14-year old to your house and getting her naked!

On social media, some savvy liberal activists started targeting Hannity's advertisers and asking them to drop their ads so as to "not be supporting pedophilia". Several, including Keurig Coffee, 23AndMe, Volvo and Nature's Own quickly responded and pulled their ads.

Cue the predictable MAGA backlash. Social media was suddenly aflame with videos of angry Hannity fans smashing their Keurig coffeemakers in protest, while liberals announced they were buying Keurigs for people on their Xmas list this year.

Flash forward to tonight's Hannity show, in which he claimed to have accepted the Keurig CEO's apology (which nobody has confirmed exists) and announced he was giving away 500 Keurig coffeemakers. He then said that Roy Moore had 24 hours to "prove his innocence" or Hannity was 'done with him'.


If I didn't know better, I'd almost swear the entire thing was some kind of bizarre viral marketing stunt by Keurig. Meanwhile, hundreds of angry white pedoph-I mean, Republicans are waking up angrier than usual because they don't have their coffee, and are now trying to figure out how they're supposed to feel about Keurig and Hannity. And Moore. It must be tough to process all the conflicting signals.
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« Reply #15157 on: November 15, 2017, 02:29:50 am »

For a brief, shining moment, conservatives and environmentalists were in the same boat.
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Re: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'
« Reply #15158 on: November 15, 2017, 02:35:47 am »

Yeah if we all could just not try to weasel around potential sex offenses against 14-year-olds, that would be great, thanks.
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« Reply #15159 on: November 15, 2017, 02:58:52 am »

I'm just waiting for the Bill Nye the science guy sex scandal, where he can claim that because of relativity, who can really know how old the girl is? /s

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« Reply #15160 on: November 15, 2017, 04:44:09 am »

Russian ministry of Defense dun goofed.
Past tuesday they posted photos on their official Facebook page that would prove irrefutably that the US supports IS fighters against Russian backed forces with air strikes.

It turned out that one of the photos was actually a screenshot from a game called AC-130 Gunship Simulator. The other 4 photos come from the Iraq ministry of Defense archive of 2016, according to Russian research group 'Conflict Intelligence Team'.

The Russian ministry of Defense quickly removed the photos from their page and replaced them with new ones, but the original post has been archived.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/techblog-miskleun-russen-op-facebook-screenshot-uit-game-als-onweerlegbaar-bewijs~a4534555/
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« Reply #15161 on: November 15, 2017, 04:56:27 am »

Ironically, during the Bush era something similar happened, and it also involved your homeland Martinuzz. Congress got shown footage of a "video game" that was claimed to be made by Al Qaeda in Iraq, which had a voice over about how the Americans came in their black-hawk helicopters raining fire and destruction. The Pentagon told Congress that this was a game-mod made by Al Qaeda as a recruitment tool and you had to pay $25 over the internet to get it.

However all those things turned out to be bald-faced lies. Actually, it was just regular footage from completely un-modded Battlefield, which some kid in Holland had put together - and the voiceover was from Team America. The video had been lifted straight off a Battlefield fansite, had the attributions removed then presented to Congress as a "look how high tech Al Qaeda is now - they're in the video game business - give us more money!" thing. They were literally just making this shit up: there's no plausible excuse for it.

They seriously played audio from Team America to Congress and claimed it was Al Qaeda recruitment material, for real.
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« Reply #15162 on: November 15, 2017, 05:01:31 am »

...something something something.... FUCK YEAH!
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Re: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'
« Reply #15163 on: November 15, 2017, 05:03:08 am »

I think there was something similar involving concept art from Fallout 3 showing the destroyed Capitol building in Washington D.C.
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Re: AmeriPol: Congress attempts to cross streams while working on tax 'reform'
« Reply #15164 on: November 15, 2017, 07:33:14 am »

I think there was something similar involving concept art from Fallout 3 showing the destroyed Capitol building in Washington D.C.

This is nothing new.

Russia used faked footage of stinger missiles to prove the US was supporting Ukraine. How to prove it was faked? Labeling on the missile launchers and crates had typos which also occurred in the game Battlefield 3.

China a few years ago used footage from the movie Top Gun in a promo video for one of their new fighter planes. Frames of a mid air explosion were identical from the two videos.

Propaganda gonna propagand.
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