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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #16995 on: January 12, 2018, 08:29:10 pm »

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-corporations-obligations-to-shareholders/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits

Judging by this article I thought I knew something I did not.  I could have sworn I was told the name of a specific court ruling but I guess there never was one.  :/
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #16996 on: January 12, 2018, 09:19:24 pm »

Diplomatic fallout already from countries Trump maligned.

I hope they explain it straight that Trump is an ignorant racist a-hole, and there really is no explaining the remarks.
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #16997 on: January 12, 2018, 10:52:14 pm »

Do the needs/wants of a stupendously large number outweigh the needs/wants of the merely huge number?
Yes. That's just basic math. More is more than less, and less is less than more.
Also, you talk a lot about sacrificing for the greater good. The stance of the left generally is not that anything should be taken away from anyone, but rather that new resources should flow towards those who need them.
If there's a table with 99 starving people with empty plates, and 1 fat guy whose plate is overflowing with food, and you bring in a cart full of food and just park it next to that fat guy, and you don't see anything wrong with that picture, there is something wrong with your moral compass.
from where did that new cart of food originate?  Most on the right would say that if the already "wealthy" person made it themselves (or paid for it to be made) then it's perfectly fine that the food would only be delivered to them.
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Other subtle questions - what level of inequality is "tolerable"?  Unless you argue that everyone should have exactly the same amount of wealth, that means there is some ratio on the spectrum between "everyone equal" and "1 has everything, the rest have nothing" that is acceptable.  How do you know you've achieved optimum?

The example was deliberately oversimplified to demonstrate the fundamental precept that should serve as a guiding principle when determining appropriate protocols in more complex situations. The intention was not to be an argument for absolute equality in wealth and privilege regardless of individual circumstances, as that path is certainly problematic in it's own way. But since you've asked for more details...

The fat guy is the land-owner, and the starving people are the laborers who actually work on the land. The food does not magically appear, but rather there is a governing body of elected representatives from many farms who keep the farms safe and stable, and take a portion of the food created on the farms to feed themselves and their guards and other associated parties. A newly elected leader in the governing infrastructure has decided to tax less food from the farms, which he can't really afford to do, but he's doing it anyway. He had a choice, to take less food from the fat landlords, or take less food from the starving laborers. He decided to go with the former option, in hopes that the fat landlords who already have far more food than they can possibly eat and yet share none of it with the starving laborers, might finally decide to share now that they have a little bit more.
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #16998 on: January 12, 2018, 11:19:49 pm »

Do the needs/wants of a stupendously large number outweigh the needs/wants of the merely huge number?
Yes. That's just basic math. More is more than less, and less is less than more.
Also, you talk a lot about sacrificing for the greater good. The stance of the left generally is not that anything should be taken away from anyone, but rather that new resources should flow towards those who need them.
If there's a table with 99 starving people with empty plates, and 1 fat guy whose plate is overflowing with food, and you bring in a cart full of food and just park it next to that fat guy, and you don't see anything wrong with that picture, there is something wrong with your moral compass.
from where did that new cart of food originate?  Most on the right would say that if the already "wealthy" person made it themselves (or paid for it to be made) then it's perfectly fine that the food would only be delivered to them.
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Other subtle questions - what level of inequality is "tolerable"?  Unless you argue that everyone should have exactly the same amount of wealth, that means there is some ratio on the spectrum between "everyone equal" and "1 has everything, the rest have nothing" that is acceptable.  How do you know you've achieved optimum?

The example was deliberately oversimplified to demonstrate the fundamental precept that should serve as a guiding principle when determining appropriate protocols in more complex situations. The intention was not to be an argument for absolute equality in wealth and privilege regardless of individual circumstances, as that path is certainly problematic in it's own way. But since you've asked for more details...

The fat guy is the land-owner, and the starving people are the laborers who actually work on the land. The food does not magically appear, but rather there is a governing body of elected representatives from many farms who keep the farms safe and stable, and take a portion of the food created on the farms to feed themselves and their guards and other associated parties. A newly elected leader in the governing infrastructure has decided to tax less food from the farms, which he can't really afford to do, but he's doing it anyway. He had a choice, to take less food from the fat landlords, or take less food from the starving laborers. He decided to go with the former option, in hopes that the fat landlords who already have far more food than they can possibly eat and yet share none of it with the starving laborers, might finally decide to share now that they have a little bit more.

That last bit sounds like a pretty succinct analogy for trickle-down economics. Though maybe an oversimplified analogy, but it still works.
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #16999 on: January 13, 2018, 04:47:13 pm »

I just suddenly realized that I am kinda relieved that Trump does not believe in global warming.
He'd be the guy that comes with terrible solutions, like 'killing all animal life on the planet will reduce CO2 emissions more than anything else. We must form a coalition of the willing for the War on Animals'.
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #17000 on: January 13, 2018, 04:51:11 pm »

I just suddenly realized that I am kinda relieved that Trump does not believe in global warming.
He'd be the guy that comes with terrible solutions, like 'killing all animal life on the planet will reduce CO2 emissions more than anything else. We must form a coalition of the willing for the War on Animals'.

Australia tried it.  It didn't work.
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Re: AmeriPol: Back to work Congress!
« Reply #17001 on: January 13, 2018, 05:30:33 pm »

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« Reply #17002 on: January 13, 2018, 06:15:02 pm »

I was going to make a sarcastic joke about a citizen’s arrest.

Then I got ninja’d by reality.
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« Reply #17003 on: January 13, 2018, 06:20:41 pm »

You know, stable and genius are some of the last adjectives I'd assign to Donald.
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« Reply #17004 on: January 13, 2018, 06:31:03 pm »

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« Reply #17005 on: January 13, 2018, 07:21:28 pm »

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« Reply #17006 on: January 13, 2018, 07:30:37 pm »

Upsetting Trump?

Its treason, then

Cut to Trump spiraling over his desk with the American Flag as a spear and cutting down two flanking British mayors before Sadiq Khan engages him with a replica of Excalibur.
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« Reply #17007 on: January 13, 2018, 10:12:35 pm »

This is the best headline of 2018 - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-supporters-attempt-to-arrest-london-mayor/ar-AAuDxQJ

That thing went from plain silly to outright disturbing, they had brought a gallows to the area where Sadiq Khan was speaking. Not sure if it was the same group or a different one, but you really can't speculate very far what they might have intended to do with the mayor of London.
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« Reply #17008 on: January 13, 2018, 10:32:11 pm »

Now I guess we wait for Trump to tweet his support to those dipshits.
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« Reply #17009 on: January 13, 2018, 10:48:53 pm »

Support for Trump in Europe is just as hyperbolic and ridiculous as their opposition to him, it seems. Whatever, so long as it just stays over there. It is funny though, in a depressing sort of way, that foreigners feel so strongly about our president that they're willing to fight each other over their opinions on him.
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