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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17400 on: February 23, 2018, 11:20:24 am »

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« Reply #17401 on: February 23, 2018, 11:24:32 am »

We should make sure to program the control terminals without a "kill friendlies" option. Maybe it's a DRM thing though.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17402 on: February 23, 2018, 11:30:05 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T_HiioGk84
Here is the whole awful NRA spiel.

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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17403 on: February 23, 2018, 11:53:37 am »

Murder is an inalienable right.

As long as you're white, anyways.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17404 on: February 23, 2018, 12:50:55 pm »

It's all well and good until a teacher loses the plot and massacres some children, or a kid steals the teacher's gun.

Even if all of the armed teachers keep their guns properly secured, and theyíre all mentally stable, it would still be a huge problem. Iím not a gun owner, but I believe a major gun safety rule is to be aware of whatís downrange if your target. If youíre a teacher in a school attempting to guard a classroom full of students, every direction you could be potentially aiming has a pretty good chance of crossing another classroom full of students. The more people are armed, the more everyone in the building is at risk of being caught in the crossfire or hit by a ricochet or missed shot.

And then thereís the issue of target identification. How do you know who the shooter is or what they look like? Is that armed person roaming the halls hostile, or are they another armed teacher?

It almost seems like the best way to reduce the number of shootings might somehow involve giving people fewer things to shoot with. I donít know; maybe Iím just crazy.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17405 on: February 23, 2018, 01:27:15 pm »

How do you make the gun safe or whatever you use work so a teacher can get into it quickly and easily but a student can't figure it out given enough time? Say, 3-4 years worth of time?
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« Reply #17406 on: February 23, 2018, 01:35:46 pm »

Concealed or open carry obviously. 
You set-up an armory and teachers are required to pick-up their firearm every morning and return it before they leave.
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« Reply #17407 on: February 23, 2018, 01:45:37 pm »

I think Jim Wright put it best: You'd be asking teachers to be trained and prepared to gun down not just kids, but kids that they know, potentially in cold blood. And that's some darker than black operations shit that we don't even train soldiers for, much less underpaid educators.

You can't "just shoot someone", even someone dangerous, on the drop of a hat. Modern military training (and unfortunately, police training) focuses on turning the action into a reflex, and the reason they do that is because people often will consciously or unconsciously "delope" and miss by a mile due to their ingrained inhibition against killing. People do this even in the heat of combat, in a war, fighting an enemy army that is trying to kill them. To suggest that this wouldn't be an overriding factor in getting teachers to gun down their own students is positively...Trumpian, I guess.

Personally, I think the pound for pound best thing we could do is improve conditions in schools to be more humane. That I think using the word "humane" in particular for school conditions is right says it all. The banality and daily frustration of the environment is more a contributing factor to shootings, and all other forms of school violence, than most people are talking about.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17408 on: February 23, 2018, 01:59:56 pm »

Yes, but that would be treating the cause, and would require large investments of time, effort and money. Much cheaper and easier to just treat the symptoms by arming everyone, and when it inevitabley backfires claim that yet more guns are needed.

Honestly, at this point, I agree with Trump, you guys need a wall around your country to keep the batshittery from spilling out. Anyone willing gtfo before the borders are closed and the whole world goes on having less insanity in it.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17409 on: February 23, 2018, 02:24:49 pm »

I think Jim Wright put it best: You'd be asking teachers to be trained and prepared to gun down not just kids, but kids that they know, potentially in cold blood. And that's some darker than black operations shit that we don't even train soldiers for, much less underpaid educators.

Thank you. I think any other objection to arming teachers pales in comparison to this. It was along these lines that I had asked earlier if anyone had any statistics on how many shooters are students of the schools they attack.

If the proportion is as high as I suspect, then the only way teachers could be expected to actually take down a shooter before they can do any harm would be for them to train to kill their own students. Iím sure that such an attitude is conducive to a positive learning environment.
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Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« Reply #17410 on: February 23, 2018, 02:35:56 pm »

How do you make the gun safe or whatever you use work so a teacher can get into it quickly and easily but a student can't figure it out given enough time? Say, 3-4 years worth of time?

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« Reply #17411 on: February 23, 2018, 03:55:01 pm »

It almost seems like the best way to reduce the number of shootings might somehow involve giving people fewer things to shoot with. I donít know; maybe Iím just crazy.

That's a lot like saying 'you don't fight fire with fire, you douse it with water'. On a small scale, yes, water or other inflammatory agents are the best way to extinguish a fire. But once a fire grows large enough, it literally becomes impractical to apply inflammatory agents faster than the rate at which the fire is growing. Beyond that threshold, the much more efficient method becomes the use of accelerant around the existing fire to quickly burn away potential fuel, so that the fire has nowhere to spread.

Guns in America are already so proliferant that it would be impossible to take away a significant portion of them without instigating violent response from second-amendment activists. And of course the lawmakers would have to be convinced first, which simply is not going to happen due to the corruption created by the NRA's deep pockets. Even limiting the availability of new high-powered guns and modifications is extremely impractical.

So, with consideration for the fact that removing guns is simply not going to happen, the only remaining practical option is to fight fire with fire.
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« Reply #17412 on: February 23, 2018, 03:55:50 pm »

So apparently there was an armed cop at the school, and he stood outside for 4 minutes and did nothing.
The cop has been sent with forced retirement now.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/schoolagent-bleef-buiten-wachten-tijdens-bloedbad-in-florida~a4572973/
Way I see this... probably someone who realized at that very moment that they are not actually up to going in, alone, to face off against the shooter. 

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« Reply #17413 on: February 23, 2018, 03:59:18 pm »

I mean you realize the potential fuel you are talking about are schoolchildren, right.
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« Reply #17414 on: February 23, 2018, 04:00:18 pm »

So apparently there was an armed cop at the school, and he stood outside for 4 minutes and did nothing.
The cop has been sent with forced retirement now.


The way I heard it reported, the cop was suspended pending further investigation, then he voluntarily entered early retirement.

Regardless, I'm not about to judge anyone for choosing not to bring a handgun to an AR fight.
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