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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18135 on: March 14, 2018, 03:54:02 pm »

Plot twist: he appoints fatty as his new chief of staff, best korea becomes the 51st state, puerto rico explodes in a fireball of pure angst.
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« Reply #18136 on: March 14, 2018, 03:56:52 pm »

Plot twist: he appoints fatty as his new chief of staff, best korea becomes the 51st state, puerto rico explodes in a fireball of pure angst.
Inb4 Nuclear State Puerto Rico.
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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18137 on: March 14, 2018, 04:41:56 pm »

New York Times has called it for Lamb. Doesn't make much difference other than slightly weakening the House Republicans, but it's still nice.
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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18138 on: March 14, 2018, 04:45:20 pm »

It does make some difference. It's a strong signal for the midterms, as this election had midterm-average turnout and still resulted in a Democratic advantage like that seen elsewhere. Lamb himself recommitted to the cause of unionism and won with it under harsh circumstances, so that's back from the dead if the DNC aren't morons.
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« Reply #18139 on: March 14, 2018, 05:44:32 pm »

Lamb himself recommitted to the cause of unionism and won with it under harsh circumstances, so that's back from the dead if the DNC aren't morons.

It's back from the dead in regions with a strong union presence provided the advantage in votes is offset by the decrease in support from the donor class, bearing in mind that donors have a longer memory than voters. Lamb's victory suggests that calculus is more favorable than it used to be, but there are reasons other than the DNC being morons to be cautious about embracing it.
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« Reply #18140 on: March 14, 2018, 10:00:09 pm »

(Note that we can't assume that Lamb only managed 20pts of shift by appealing the way that he did. It's possible that a different and less 'off-Democrat' approach could have given 21+pts.  And that's without taking into account his opponents'  relative success (Libertarian) and failure (Republican) in order to actively contribute to that shift from the original Trumpish datum.  -   Someone with a time-machine and/or access to various near-identical parallel dimensions could perhaps quantify and qualify it all, but I'm not sure their earlier experiment in how best to prove their ability to do so worked well enough to convince them to tell our time-line/universe, so maybe they'd have to just set themselves up as an analyst of some kind, maybe of poll figures...)
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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18141 on: March 14, 2018, 10:00:35 pm »

Honestly, fuck the doners. I mean that on a pragmatic level. You can have all the money in the world but lose if you're a cardboard cutout. If there's anything to be learned from Trump's dumb, dumb political strategies it's not to be skittish.

People can tell when you're being avoidant or pandering and they don't like it. There will always be more rich people with weird politics for you to draw from. There's not always fire. And without fire, you will fail.
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« Reply #18142 on: March 15, 2018, 03:18:38 am »

Yet without a bucket of wet sand, you will burn... unless the fire was started by one of those flourine compounds which oxidize better than oxygen... as they'll happily ignite stuff like rubber gloves, sand, chemists, and of course the ashes of stuff you thought was already burned completely!
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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18143 on: March 15, 2018, 03:24:28 am »

So you spilled some chlorine trifluoride on the floor... big deal. It will burn out.   .... .... Eventually.
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« Reply #18144 on: March 15, 2018, 06:40:55 am »

It's always fun to re-visit Sand Won't Save You This Time as well as other articles in the categories Things I Won't Work With, etc. Nothing (particularly) political/US-related, but worth sharing anyway.
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« Reply #18145 on: March 15, 2018, 06:45:32 am »

People can tell when you're being avoidant or pandering and they don't like it.

They apparently like it well enough; they elected Trump. All other mitigating factors aside, that a con man with zero political experience or expertise got close enough to winning for Russian meddling and Clinton's unpopularity to push him over the finish line would indicate that perhaps the electorate doesn't value authenticity as much as their clamoring might indicate.
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« Reply #18146 on: March 15, 2018, 07:27:18 am »

So how's that arming teachers thing going for you guys :V

I swear The Onion is gonna run out of shit to make fun out of by the time Trumps term is over, because it'll become fucking reality.
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« Reply #18147 on: March 15, 2018, 08:06:22 am »

People can tell when you're being avoidant or pandering and they don't like it.

They apparently like it well enough; they elected Trump. All other mitigating factors aside, that a con man with zero political experience or expertise got close enough to winning for Russian meddling and Clinton's unpopularity to push him over the finish line would indicate that perhaps the electorate doesn't value authenticity as much as their clamoring might indicate.
Trump is authentic. Authentically terrible, but authentic. His positions are for the most part things he's seemed to believe in for decades, and despite wolololoing all over the place on social issues his isolationist nationalism and bullheaded economic beliefs can be observed all the way back in the 90s and previous. Further, his personal style is consistent and interesting.

I'm going to stop sounding like I'm praising Trump now and say that politicians have to be interesting and not doner sockpuppets. If your best personal conviction is "I deserve to win, pls win" like the avatars of Bland Neoliberal Corporate Stasis have you're begging to lose. The only thing worse than that is making like Theresa May or that one guy in Virginia with a 25 year incumbency advantage and just not campaign.
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Re: AmeriPol: cabinet reshuffle shuffle shuffle
« Reply #18148 on: March 15, 2018, 08:41:07 am »

Honestly, fuck the doners. I mean that on a pragmatic level. You can have all the money in the world but lose if you're a cardboard cutout. If there's anything to be learned from Trump's dumb, dumb political strategies it's not to be skittish.

People can tell when you're being avoidant or pandering and they don't like it. There will always be more rich people with weird politics for you to draw from. There's not always fire. And without fire, you will fail.

What do you have against tasty sandwiches?  >:(
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« Reply #18149 on: March 15, 2018, 08:52:54 am »

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