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Hanslanda

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29115 on: March 27, 2019, 08:16:47 pm »

Hard Green Party based on... Everything he says and does.

He's fundamentally a hardcore ecoterrorist fighting overpopulation.
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« Reply #29116 on: March 27, 2019, 09:27:44 pm »

Hard Green Party based on... Everything he says and does.

He's fundamentally a hardcore ecoterrorist fighting overpopulation.
But he's inherently fascist, just look at how he runs his everything.  All must bend to his will.
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« Reply #29117 on: March 27, 2019, 09:32:30 pm »

Hard Green Party based on... Everything he says and does.

He's fundamentally a hardcore ecoterrorist fighting overpopulation.
But he's inherently fascist, just look at how he runs his everything.  All must bend to his will.

I would say thatís more authoritarian than fascist.

Itís obvious heís an accelerationist, wanting capitalism to just run its course and either free us from wage slavery or destroy the world in its endless search for more resources to exploit.

thanos? thanos? who the fuck is thanos? for srs
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« Reply #29118 on: March 27, 2019, 09:35:27 pm »

Hard Green Party based on... Everything he says and does.

He's fundamentally a hardcore ecoterrorist fighting overpopulation.
But he's inherently fascist, just look at how he runs his everything.  All must bend to his will.

I would say thatís more authoritarian than fascist.

Itís obvious heís an accelerationist, wanting capitalism to just run its course and either free us from wage slavery or destroy the world in its endless search for more resources to exploit.

thanos? thanos? who the fuck is thanos? for srs
Quite fair, I forget my terminology.
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« Reply #29119 on: March 27, 2019, 09:37:15 pm »


thanos? thanos? who the fuck is thanos? for srs

Can't tell if serious, but, the arch bad guy in the Avengers series/movies.

Redistribution of wealth by random lottery sounds like some kind of anarchist.
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« Reply #29120 on: March 27, 2019, 09:52:39 pm »

Well I know that, I just donít know anything beyond that.

I was also making an obscure joke about an old, and probably obscure parody of a song by a comedian who became obscure because of the direction they took their career.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29121 on: March 27, 2019, 09:57:32 pm »

deleting half the universe is cool and all but we all know thanos is really in it just to bang Death.
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« Reply #29122 on: March 27, 2019, 10:17:18 pm »

Redistribution of wealth by random lottery sounds like some kind of anarchist.

Not any anarchist I've ever heard of.  Re-distribution of wealth, sure, although not unique to anarchism.  But the random lottery part has no relation to any anarchist school of thought I'm aware of.
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« Reply #29123 on: March 27, 2019, 10:30:48 pm »

it also would serve no real purpose;

The randomly assigned people would just become the new plutarchs overnight.   The problem is the gross difference between incomes among the populace, not who is currently wealthy and who is not.


Personally, I think it would be better to impose increasingly burdensome bads on people who fixate on being the wealthiest of the wealthy instead.  Taxes have been a historically tried one (that gets loopholed to death).  I would suggest something more constructive though.

The major quasi-religious petard I keep hearing is that "private interests" can do a better job with helping the poor and all that, so we should codify into law that they are responsible for that, with the degree of responsibility heaped on them being consistent with the curve distribution of their wealth.  EG, people in the top 1% are legally responsible for the healthcare and welfare of the bottom 99%, with the top earners being responsible for the greater portion of that assistance.  They can render that assistance directly if they want (such as via a charity, or even writing checks for medical care for poor people) but they have to keep reciepts, and must provide that proof at the end of each year; The goal being that all that capital gain and wealth increase they are engaging in must also reimburse the society for its extraction from society, with the goal of harnessing that drive to improve standards of living across the whole of society, and not just in the top 1%.

It's a silly idea sure-- but I think it might be interesting to try.  Throw in actual penalties for trying to game the system though, and I mean "No, we are confiscating ALL of your holdings, and sending you to prison, asshole" levels of punishment here.  To have even the slightest chance of working, the penalties for gaming the system must be equivalent to ostracism from the society. (EG, the financial equivalent there to.)
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29124 on: March 28, 2019, 03:09:31 am »

And then, professional Munchausen's patients emerge in order to provide convenient and consistent tax breaks for the ultra-elite.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #29125 on: March 28, 2019, 03:12:02 am »

it also would serve no real purpose;

The randomly assigned people would just become the new plutarchs overnight.
They'd become Ancient Greek historians?

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« Reply #29126 on: March 28, 2019, 03:30:09 am »

No, that's the damned autocorrect chomping at the bit to correct "Plutocrat" into something it thinks I meant to write.

Gotta love technology, eh?
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« Reply #29127 on: March 28, 2019, 05:54:21 am »

Redistribution of wealth by random lottery sounds like some kind of anarchist.

Not any anarchist I've ever heard of.  Re-distribution of wealth, sure, although not unique to anarchism.  But the random lottery part has no relation to any anarchist school of thought I'm aware of.

I can see it working in an anarchist kind of way. It would break up the power structures of the elite, and the new elite wouldn't have the experience to quickly get their own empires up and running. If wealth lotteries were sufficiently frequent people would be discouraged from saving money and we'd transition to the ultimate consumption economy. But who knows, maybe some people might donate to the poor instead and build social status that way. The government can't take something like that from someone. Interesting concept. Not sure it would get past congress though.
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« Reply #29128 on: March 28, 2019, 06:04:54 am »

Redistribution of wealth by random lottery sounds like some kind of anarchist.

Not any anarchist I've ever heard of.  Re-distribution of wealth, sure, although not unique to anarchism.  But the random lottery part has no relation to any anarchist school of thought I'm aware of.

I can see it working in an anarchist kind of way. It would break up the power structures of the elite, and the new elite wouldn't have the experience to quickly get their own empires up and running. If wealth lotteries were sufficiently frequent people would be discouraged from saving money and we'd transition to the ultimate consumption economy. But who knows, maybe some people might donate to the poor instead and build social status that way. The government can't take something like that from someone. Interesting concept. Not sure it would get past congress though.

I proposed the random lottery idea a while ago, and I initially thought it was a great idea, but then realized that while it helps to maintain social order domestically, it sacrifices foreign and international legitimacy, which is a far worse deal. I mean, suppose you're a neighboring country, or a businessman in a neighboring country, do you want to deal with the country that has a totally unstable social hierarchy? No you don't, but they sure look like easy targets...
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« Reply #29129 on: March 28, 2019, 06:31:08 am »

Apparently there was some random ancient Greek dude who strongly considered lottery as a form of government, so I guess that means it's pretty legit.
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