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[lemon10]

Counterpoint:

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Well since Donald Trump is the president, he is basically America. Anyone that attacks him in any way is his enemy, and thus America's enemy. So, presuming that someone gives aid or comfort to themselves (eg. by taking a nice nap or by making a meal for yourself) they are, by the constitution committing treason.
Checkmate Lord Shonus. 

[sluissa]

I will say, if you listen to Schiff's intro the other day, it was a bit hyperbolic and he was being a little light on the "this is an analogy of his intent rather than his literal words." when he went into reading a script that sounded like it came from a poorly written mobster movie.

Trump is being Trump and overreacting, but Schiff could have been a little more professional about it. Depending on Schiff's exact words, Trump might even have a point. I just remember thinking to myself when I watched it, "Whoa there, that's not how you need to handle this."

Pelosi is handling it surprisingly well though. I have no doubt she's been doing the political math about it, but it almost sounds genuine (and it might actually be) when she says stuff like "This is a sad time for our country," Pelosi said. "There is no joy in this."

[Naturegirl1999]

Counterpoint:

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Well since Donald Trump is the president, he is basically America. Anyone that attacks him in any way is his enemy, and thus America's enemy. So, presuming that someone gives aid or comfort to themselves (eg. by taking a nice nap or by making a meal for yourself) they are, by the constitution committing treason.
Checkmate Lord Shonus. 

Are you joking? The President is not the country. The country consists of three branches, Legislative, Executive, and Juidiciary. And the civilian population. If someone tells the other two branches and the civilian population about the illegal acts of one of the branches, it’s not treason, it’s letting the rest of the country know about a corrupted branch on the tree.

[Cheesy Honkers]

Counterpoint:

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Well since Donald Trump is the president, he is basically America. Anyone that attacks him in any way is his enemy, and thus America's enemy. So, presuming that someone gives aid or comfort to themselves (eg. by taking a nice nap or by making a meal for yourself) they are, by the constitution committing treason.
Checkmate Lord Shonus. 

Are you joking? The President is not the country. The country consists of three branches, Legislative, Executive, and Juidiciary. And the civilian population. If someone tells the other two branches and the civilian population about the illegal acts of one of the branches, it’s not treason, it’s letting the rest of the country know about a corrupted branch on the tree.

Missed th /s there.

I hope.

[SalmonGod]

Counterpoint:

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Well since Donald Trump is the president, he is basically America. Anyone that attacks him in any way is his enemy, and thus America's enemy. So, presuming that someone gives aid or comfort to themselves (eg. by taking a nice nap or by making a meal for yourself) they are, by the constitution committing treason.
Checkmate Lord Shonus. 

Are you joking? The President is not the country. The country consists of three branches, Legislative, Executive, and Juidiciary. And the civilian population. If someone tells the other two branches and the civilian population about the illegal acts of one of the branches, it’s not treason, it’s letting the rest of the country know about a corrupted branch on the tree.

Yes, they were joking.

[scriver]

In before every president is required to rename themselves Amerigo

[Il Palazzo]

In before the voting process becomes every voter donating their DNA to be combined into a vat-grown and rapidly matured clone with a hardcoded 4 year life span.

[sluissa]

A quick thought.

Where would the other candidates be right now if Biden wasn't in the race?

He's currently the front runner, but it wasn't always inevitable that he was going to run.

There's a lot of speculation of where Sanders or Warren would be without the other, with the assumption that most of one of their voters would go to the other.

There's also a lot of people specifically not happy with Biden.

I wonder if Biden isn't perhaps drawing up more support for the lower tier candidates simply by being in the race than there would be if he weren't?

He's also a good target for some of those lower tier candidates as well. Hits on Biden seem to get more attention, and last longer in the memory than say, Castro and O'Rourke's little feud.

I have no answers, it was just an interesting thought. Right now he seems to be something of an inevitability. If not for democratic candidate, then the feeling that he was always supposed to be in this race given his frontrunner status, and all the leadup to him actually announcing. (There were polls of where he would stand in the race before he actually announced being in the race.)

But a year or two ago, it was still a question hanging in the air that could have swung either way. Nobody knew if Biden would run, or even wanted to run.

[smjjames]

There could also be a lot more undecideds. Some of his support could arguably go towards some of the other moderates in the race.

[Folly]

WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!

[Naturegirl1999]

WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!

Was this actually said?

[hector13]

He tweeted it.

He’s just pushing the narrative the Republicans are trying to push that the intelligence community changed that whistleblowers were required to provide first-hand information, which has never been part of the rules.

It is against the rules to threaten action against a whistleblower, though.

[ggamer]

It's been a good day so far. The GOP is smelling blood in the water, and there's an awful lot of people in different fields who rode the Trump wave to the top (leaving behind all of their disgruntled colleagues who weren't pro Trump). People who are turning up the bluster and spin to eleven now that they've realized it's their ass on the line. News anchors, rnc chairs, congressmen, dignitaries; if this impeachment goes through, there's gonna be a good old fashioned night of long knives in the Republican party and their sattelite organizations.

Edit: also, Narc thornberry announced he's not running for the election, making him the sixth Texan and the fifteenth gop congressman to do so ahead of 2020, in case you wanted some proof.

[scriver]

WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!

fixed that for you

[Telgin]

It's been a good day so far. The GOP is smelling blood in the water, and there's an awful lot of people in different fields who rode the Trump wave to the top (leaving behind all of their disgruntled colleagues who weren't pro Trump). People who are turning up the bluster and spin to eleven now that they've realized it's their ass on the line. News anchors, rnc chairs, congressmen, dignitaries; if this impeachment goes through, there's gonna be a good old fashioned night of long knives in the Republican party and their sattelite organizations.

Edit: also, Narc thornberry announced he's not running for the election, making him the sixth Texan and the fifteenth gop congressman to do so ahead of 2020, in case you wanted some proof.

I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst where Trump suffers no consequences and wins reelection in 2020 on a resurgence of misplaced revenge voting.

Maybe I'm just blind or jaded, but I don't see a path forward where a Republican controlled senate convicts Trump.

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Or maybe I'm just still incensed at the blatant and willful ignorance I continue to be surrounded by.  I heard a (religious) conversation talking about how America has never hated a man as much as Trump or tried so hard to get rid of him, and I wonder where all the memories of the Obama hate went.  Then the conversation jumped track right through Alex Jones ville and started discussing how believing in climate change is the same as being a pagan animist, and aside from me wondering when the man had a stroke mid sentence, I realized that I have lost all patience for willful ignorance and idiocy.