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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33915 on: October 13, 2019, 03:53:42 pm »

*enters Ameripol*
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33916 on: October 13, 2019, 03:54:54 pm »

What deity would intervene to send a message, but then fail to ensure that message was transmitted? Regardless of -- or perhaps especially if -- it's about the very nature of human existence?

Hmmmm... Sithrak, of course.
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As for homoanything in the bible, I recall there being weirdness with the greek translations not distinguishing between prostitutes and homosexuals linguistically unless you were very careful when translating and used appropriate context cues?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33917 on: October 13, 2019, 04:00:28 pm »

Trump even stated that if ISIS resurges, he's willing to go right back in. Plus, it's not likely that the Kurds will ally with us again.
Note that as a direct result of what's been happening, hundreds of isis captives have already escaped captivity. Kurds have pretty clearly stated they're going to do fuck all about it, particularly while they're busy trying to fend off a genocide attempt, too.

Turkey's already been caught fairly cheerfully committing various war crimes as well, apparently. Journalists murdered, at least one peace advocate dragged out and shot by turkish forces, it's off to a hell of a start. US's done shit the bed real hard, again.
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« Reply #33918 on: October 13, 2019, 04:22:40 pm »

Trump even stated that if ISIS resurges, he's willing to go right back in. Plus, it's not likely that the Kurds will ally with us again.
Note that as a direct result of what's been happening, hundreds of isis captives have already escaped captivity. Kurds have pretty clearly stated they're going to do fuck all about it, particularly while they're busy trying to fend off a genocide attempt, too.

Turkey's already been caught fairly cheerfully committing various war crimes as well, apparently. Journalists murdered, at least one peace advocate dragged out and shot by turkish forces, it's off to a hell of a start. US's done shit the bed real hard, again.

I'd be surprised if this doesn't become an object lesson in the history books on how not to do things.

There's also the fact that theres all those displaced people which are going to have to go somewhere (and are likely not going to Turkey), Turkey has been threatening to unleash immigration crisis 2.0 on Europe, and I've read in a few places that there is concern that the conflict could spill into Iraq.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33919 on: October 13, 2019, 05:47:36 pm »

US's done shit the bed real hard, again.
Well, at least it was somebody else's bed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #33920 on: October 13, 2019, 06:08:14 pm »

Just one of the innumerable inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible. (and yeah, totally tangent into the spirituality and railgun thread)

More Syria developments (don't we have a MidEast thread somewhere? Though this bit is directly AmeriPol linked anyway): Trump is now ordering most of the ~1,000 troops are being withdrawn (using a plan made back in Feb) primarily to avoid getting caught in the crossfire of opposing armies since the Turks seem to intend to expand further south than thought and the Kurds are trying to get the Russians and the Syrian government to help attack Turkey.

Various sources:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/us-troops-syria-turkey/index.html
https://www.axios.com/us-forces-withdrawal-syria-turkish-attack-052a464c-0535-4af1-b25a-704b213afd41.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/13/trump-us-troops-northern-syria-turkish-assault-kurds
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50034802

Trump is running the risk of possibly needing to come back into Syria some way or other in the future, but given that Syria is starting to become almost unrecognizable compared to when the civil war started, it'd probably be an even worse clusterbleep the next time around that we have to go back in. Trump even stated that if ISIS resurges, he's willing to go right back in. Plus, it's not likely that the Kurds will ally with us again.


The Kurds are now openly inviting Russia in to deal with the consequences of Lord Cheeto's stupidity. There's also indications that US troops were practically begging for permission to open fire on the Turks. What a shitshow.
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« Reply #33921 on: October 13, 2019, 06:58:21 pm »

Also, why is Cain paranoid of being murdered out there, IF NOBODY LIVES THERE?!
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« Reply #33922 on: October 13, 2019, 08:19:19 pm »

Also, why is Cain paranoid of being murdered out there, IF NOBODY LIVES THERE?!
Well, animals are a thing, and many have big teeth and claws

IIRC, Cain specifically mentioned people.

Also: PAGING DUNAMISDEOS
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« Reply #33923 on: October 13, 2019, 10:37:42 pm »

BULLDOZING!! ----> (lol @me with sillyness)

Also, why is Cain paranoid of being murdered out there, IF NOBODY LIVES THERE?!
Well, animals are a thing, and many have big teeth and claws
Also, why is Cain paranoid of being murdered out there, IF NOBODY LIVES THERE?!
Well, animals are a thing, and many have big teeth and claws

IIRC, Cain specifically mentioned people.

Also: PAGING DUNAMISDEOS
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« Reply #33924 on: October 14, 2019, 05:40:26 am »

The Syrian Army / Kurdish thing is definitely on. This by itself would be a game-changer in regional politics. The Kurd's primary goal has always been an autonomous region, not overthrowing Damascus or Assad, so if the Syrian government agrees for them to have their region then they can be an effective alliance.

They're also talking about using the combined troops to kick pro-Turkish militias out of the border region, from areas Turkey already dominated from before this current situation. It would be highly ironic if this whole shitshow from Trump ends up being the event that causes the Syrian civil war to end because two of the strongest factions needed to join together for survival against foreign incursion.
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« Reply #33925 on: October 14, 2019, 07:31:33 am »

I think the most likely end of this, aside from Turkey potentually winning, is assad uses the YPG as cannon fodder (they already lost like 10,000 fighting ISIS) and leaves them too weak at the end to actually negotiate with any leverage, breaks his promises and tells them to go to hell.
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« Reply #33926 on: October 14, 2019, 08:44:59 am »

Oh, definitely! Hell, the church didn't even acknowledge that female masturbation was a thing until several hundred years later, and as such couldn't condemn it as a sin!

So sure, you should serve your man faithfully and silently and never propose to try and teach something to a man (a quote that got me removed and blocked by a female and very evangelical former contact), but you get to have all the sex due to loopholes. And if you never have a man to begin with, no worries!
I am pretty sure both the cases you mentioned would count as adultery. I wonder now if it is explicitly said anywhere that marriage has to be a heterosexual affair.

Nope. It was written at a time when the people in power owned (that's how it was seen) several wives. Prior to being married off, she belonged to her father. As women were considered to be property, not people, they couldn't commit sins. It's been a few thousand years, but you'll notice that line of "reasoning" is still present to varying degrees.
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« Reply #33927 on: October 14, 2019, 08:52:30 am »

However, one big fact that kinda disputes the idea that women were seen as mere possessions in most societies is how dowries work. When the daughter is married off, a chunk of your wealth transfers with her, so it's sort of like the opposite of "selling" your daughter. If girls were seen as a mere commodity it would be weird to give someone resources for obtaining them.

The chunk of wealth that is the dowry is actually the girl's inheritance rights, and it's transferred when they marry due to the way extended families and marriage worked historically. This is also the reason women took on the husband's last name - they actually became members of that 'clan' from that point onward. This is also why women taking on the husbands last name no longer makes sense. It was designed for the situation where the woman was inducted into her new extended family, becoming a member of that clan. For example, it made sense that if you traveled to a new home to join "Clan MacDonell" 400 years ago, your last name changes to MacDonell, but it has zero point once a family is just two people plus kids. The point here is that it was never meant to be the wife adopting the husbands surname, specifically, the point is that everyone in that extended family shares the surname, so everyone must have it. It's the family surname.
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« Reply #33928 on: October 14, 2019, 09:27:44 am »

Different societies have different rules for dowries, even if the cornerstone of "the dowry is the woman's inheritance" remains. For example, do the dowry remain in the ownership the woman, becoming her safety in case of a deadbeat husband (and thus making it de jure illegal for the husband to claim it and use it as his own, even if it probably de facto happened anyway in lots of cases); or do the woman's piece of the inheritance cake pass to the husband as the responsibility of the woman is passed from father to the husband?

(also this is beside the point but your example of Scottish clans is an unlucky pick, since, if i remember correctly, Scottish society did not practice family-transfer -- a Scottish wife remained of her own family and clan for the rest of her life and never took her husband's surname)
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« Reply #33929 on: October 14, 2019, 11:34:41 am »

or do the woman's piece of the inheritance cake pass to the husband as the responsibility of the woman is passed from father to the husband?

I don't really think this is the correct reading of the situation. When you consider the typical age of marriage, and how extended families work, you have to remember that the new husband is living with his mother, aunts, grandmother. The older women are going to be the ones directing the new wife on a day to day basis, not the new husband. If you have had any contact with for example mediterranean families such as Greeks you should know what I mean. There are spheres of influence for both the men and women by tradition, and the men don't micro-manage those things, they're left up to the women in the family to control, and the younger women are educated and given tasks by the older women. The men are definitely not marching around going "cook this, clean that, clear that up" to the women. Unless they want a beat down. Those types of excessively unhealthy relations seem to spawn more from the disruption brought about by industrialization than being a common factor of the historical structure of the extended family.

This idea that traditional families treat women like chattels on a regular basis is insulting to those cultures and not particularly historical.
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