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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #38460 on: August 01, 2020, 06:07:36 pm »

You know what I said, elsewhere, about "There's an xkcd for everything"..?

Maybe I was wrong.  Maybe there's several xkcds for everything!  Let's go for two, this time...
https://xkcd.com/1844/
https://xkcd.com/2225/

(Also, if you don't understand any bit, change "xkcd" to "expxkcd" in the URLs for a crowdsourced explanation that might have agreed upon what it all means. ;))
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« Reply #38461 on: August 01, 2020, 06:27:31 pm »

Then it looks like we need to create a new voting system, what about ranked voting? There are videos by CGP Grey about the strengths and weaknesses of various voting systems. The other problem, once deciding the new voting system, would be getting people who can change it to change it

The problem is you need to win the game to change the game's rules.  People who win the game aren't interested in changing the game's rules if it means they might stop winning the game.
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« Reply #38462 on: August 01, 2020, 08:00:29 pm »

If you fancy a read... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

I must say that I had forgotten some of the fun that happened then (and before and after).  I'm not sure what the average AmeriPol reader would think about most of the personalities, politicians, parties and papers namechecked in various parts of the run-through (I was sure the OMRLP had a suitably humorous position, apparently they stayed neutral) but believe me, it's a cultural extravaganza.

(I can't remember if/what I voted.)
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« Reply #38463 on: August 02, 2020, 05:17:12 am »

Ok, back to AmeriPol...

I don't know which way to turn with this Republican announcement. It sounds like a chance that they think things aren't going to be cut-and-dried, although if internal momentum gets them over such a bump without a drastic change it may appear to have been a rubber-stamping, until/unless someone who is peeved tongue-wags, at least.


(I'd imagine the party/majority position is already hashed out in Zoom, socially-distanced 'chance' meetings in corridors, and the like. Which makes that measure, obviously not what they say it is, even more mysterious.)
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #38464 on: August 02, 2020, 09:57:07 am »


The problem is you need to win the game to change the game's rules.  People who win the game are n't only interested in changing the game's rules if it means they might stop to ensure that they keep winning the game.

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« Reply #38465 on: August 02, 2020, 10:03:12 am »

The supreme court of Brasil has forced Facebook to block the profiles of a number of supporters of the extreme-right president of Brasil, Bolsonaro, worldwide.

The supreme court already ruled last week that the 12 profiles had to be blocked, as well as 16 Twitter accounts.
According to the judges, the profiles were used to spread hatred and fake news, not limited to, but including hatespeech and fake news about the judges themselves.

The profiles belong to several well known Brasilian businessmen, bloggers and militants who support president Bolsonaro.
A criminal investigation against those is in progress, for spreading hatespeech and fake news.

Twitter and Facebook complied with that request, but only blocked the profiles for users in Brasil.
This meant the verdict could be easily circumvented by Brasilians using secure vpn connections, making it look like the users are from other countries.

Because of this, Supreme Court Judge Alexandre de Moraes ruled last thursday that Facebook has to block the profiles for users worldwide.
Facebook has also been given a fine.
On top of this, the judge threatened to hold Facebook's Brasilian president Conrado Leister personally accountable.

"Confronted with the threat of criminal charges for one of our employees, we have no other choice than to comply with the new ruling", a Facebook spokesman stated saturday.

Facbook has announced that it will appeal against the ruling.   "The new ruling of the Supreme Court is extreme, forms a threat to freedom of speech, does not fall under Brasilian jurisdiction and conflicts with laws and jurisprudence in the rest of the world", Facebook stated.
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« Reply #38466 on: August 02, 2020, 10:34:11 am »

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« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 11:07:50 am by JoshuaFH »
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« Reply #38467 on: August 02, 2020, 10:46:34 am »

Sure, if they want their local employees tossed in the clink. Brazil's folks are explicitly threatening facebook's brazilian employees if the company doesn't comply. Facebook appears to be trying to work within the system first, in order to avoid... that.
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« Reply #38468 on: August 02, 2020, 10:55:05 am »

- Just forget I said anything.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 11:08:42 am by JoshuaFH »
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« Reply #38469 on: August 02, 2020, 11:05:35 am »

Bolsonaro and his supporters are the fascists here.

Website has to follow laws, news at 11.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #38470 on: August 02, 2020, 11:17:13 am »

The supreme court of Brasil has forced Facebook to block the profiles of a number of supporters of the extreme-right president of Brasil, Bolsonaro, worldwide.

The supreme court already ruled last week that the 12 profiles had to be blocked, as well as 16 Twitter accounts.
According to the judges, the profiles were used to spread hatred and fake news, not limited to, but including hatespeech and fake news about the judges themselves.

The profiles belong to several well known Brasilian businessmen, bloggers and militants who support president Bolsonaro.
A criminal investigation against those is in progress, for spreading hatespeech and fake news.

Twitter and Facebook complied with that request, but only blocked the profiles for users in Brasil.
This meant the verdict could be easily circumvented by Brasilians using secure vpn connections, making it look like the users are from other countries.

Because of this, Supreme Court Judge Alexandre de Moraes ruled last thursday that Facebook has to block the profiles for users worldwide.
Facebook has also been given a fine.
On top of this, the judge threatened to hold Facebook's Brasilian president Conrado Leister personally accountable.

"Confronted with the threat of criminal charges for one of our employees, we have no other choice than to comply with the new ruling", a Facebook spokesman stated saturday.

Facbook has announced that it will appeal against the ruling.   "The new ruling of the Supreme Court is extreme, forms a threat to freedom of speech, does not fall under Brasilian jurisdiction and conflicts with laws and jurisprudence in the rest of the world", Facebook stated.

Interesting, if only that it proves a country is capable of bending the wrist of a powerful multinational. Information to keep in mind the next time someone says it is impossible to stop corporations from tax dodging

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« Reply #38471 on: August 03, 2020, 09:36:31 am »

Pretty wide gulf between blocking profiles and -gasp- actually paying taxes.

Also, in the case of tax dodging said countries may have to deal with opposing nations. (See: EU's recent fight with Apple... and Ireland... over tax haven abuse. EU lost.)
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« Reply #38472 on: August 03, 2020, 09:59:34 am »

Its more complex than that
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« Reply #38473 on: August 04, 2020, 05:04:03 am »

I would have thought, especially given that issue, someone would comment about Microsoft being grifted for a 'commission fee' if they get gifted what might essentially be a fire-sale portion of TikTik...
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« Reply #38474 on: August 04, 2020, 07:14:49 am »

Eh... I've noticed it, and it's a staggering pile of probably illegal horseshit as a concept, but I hadn't heard anything of anything particularly actionable regarding it yet. Just the shitgibbon being shitty and some stupid takes from other corners, not tiktok actually even mildly considering capitulating or M$ going along with the farce.
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