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« Reply #38475 on: August 04, 2020, 02:49:40 pm »

That's why you don't want the 30% thing. You put in something like a 0.001% transaction fee on stock sales. This would damp down on the rapid trading stuff, which is largely leeching off the system, make some revenue, while not really turning off longterm serious investors.

The reason that the "time limit" idea won't work is that how do you determine who or what is selling the shares. Say you make a pool of shell companies and you put a few shares from a specific company in each. Then, when the price spikes up you have one of your holding companies sell a few shares, and when the prices dips down, you have another one of your holding companies buy a few shares. These could happen a split second apart if wanted, and they'd be hard to trace or prosecute, since technically they're different shares.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #38476 on: August 04, 2020, 02:50:40 pm »

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« Reply #38477 on: August 04, 2020, 02:55:23 pm »

I'm not big into economics, but would it be possible to just do away with the kind of rapid day trading that makes the stock market like a shitty casino? That is, if upon purchasing stock, you cannot sell it again until a certain amount of time has elapsed? That way, if you're buying stock, it's closer to an actual investment than a gamble?
Not quite that extreme, but there are 'slow exchanges' intended to defeat the worst side-effects of HFT/etc. this one is the one I think I first heard of.

The reason that the "time limit" idea won't work is that how do you determine who or what is selling the shares. Say you make a pool of shell companies and you put a few shares from a specific company in each. Then, when the price spikes up you have one of your holding companies sell a few shares, and when the prices dips down, you have another one of your holding companies buy a few shares. These could happen a split second apart if wanted, and they'd be hard to trace or prosecute, since technically they're different shares.
Also there are far too many 'off book' methods of trading. In taking a Short position you can'borrow' shares and ownership can be nominal for the whole process until they get 'returned' (so long as you do fulfill your part of the bargain at all stages, and if you don't you're really in hock for the funds alone if you haven't had to transfer official ownership.
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« Reply #38478 on: August 04, 2020, 03:11:35 pm »

For reference, what slow exchanges defeat is an attack where you notice that someone has for example asked to buy a share at a specific price, but you've got a faster connection so you connect to the exchange and buy the shares cheaper then when the original buy request comes in, you go "oh you want shares in X? Sure, I've got some!" and you sell them to them for a tiny profit. But you do this thousands of times a day. The problem has come in because the big traders all have this equipment now, so the expected profits from this trick approach zero in the long run, it's an arms race. But of course they still all make a little profit off the trades from all the slower "mom and pop" traders, who don't realize they're being stolen from basically.

What the 350 ms delay does isn't to mean the mom and pop trader can really get online and do a trade in that time, it means the exchange can pick up the original buy request before the fake request comes in, so they can say "oh there are two buy requests, but Request A is offering a higher price, so Request A gets the sale". This is just to explain what it is exactly that they're trying to defeat here. It's not as simple as "fast trading": these are not people looking at share trends and making actual predictions about whether it's going up or down, that's not what this defeats: these are race conditions where they're siphoning off profits that other people should really be making. It's like if in medieval times you knew that a company of soldiers was going to a specific town to buy new armor, so you raced there first and bought up all the armor in town just in time.
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« Reply #38479 on: August 04, 2020, 03:24:26 pm »

That and arbitrage has led to high-stakes data warehousing within the exchange datacentre (to get shorter lengths of cable between racks, at a premium price) and microwave/short-wave transmissions to outpace even fibre-optic communications between cities.

You don't need a high bandwidth, so long as you can get a lower latency for suitably apt trigger-messages.

I imagine that half the experiments to send bits via quantum-entanglement are sponsored by people aiming to beat free-space radio-transmission for this purpose.
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« Reply #38480 on: August 04, 2020, 03:28:21 pm »

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« Reply #38481 on: August 04, 2020, 03:41:56 pm »

That and arbitrage has led to high-stakes data warehousing within the exchange datacentre (to get shorter lengths of cable between racks, at a premium price) and microwave/short-wave transmissions to outpace even fibre-optic communications between cities.

You don't need a high bandwidth, so long as you can get a lower latency for suitably apt trigger-messages.

I imagine that half the experiments to send bits via quantum-entanglement are sponsored by people aiming to beat free-space radio-transmission for this purpose.

We should tax bits. 1 cent per bit.

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« Reply #38482 on: August 04, 2020, 03:48:00 pm »

Does that include RFC 3514 evil bits?
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« Reply #38483 on: August 04, 2020, 04:25:56 pm »

Does that include RFC 3514 evil bits?
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Not if implemented by RFC 1149/2549, but yes if on RFC 6214
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« Reply #38484 on: August 04, 2020, 06:38:54 pm »

Watched Trump's interview with Jonathon Swan.

Honestly, I know he's a teetotaler, but if Trump were just always a little drunk, I'd like him a lot better. It'd explain the way he talks and acts...

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« Reply #38485 on: August 04, 2020, 07:07:41 pm »

Maybe later we'll find out he's got a prescription pill problem. That would definitely explain some things. We know he takes hair pills, he probably takes dick pills, wouldn't be surprised if he's like Elvis with pills to get him up and pills to put him to sleep.

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« Reply #38486 on: August 05, 2020, 03:40:13 am »

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« Reply #38487 on: August 05, 2020, 05:05:46 am »

Neil Young suing Trump campaign for stealing his songs. I can bet Neil is pissed about that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53661683

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« Reply #38488 on: August 05, 2020, 08:24:26 am »

That's what, the third time his promotions have used songs without permission? I remember the Rolling Stones told him to knock it off once.
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« Reply #38489 on: August 05, 2020, 09:40:21 am »

It's hard to say if he's been using them without permission, or just until the musicians have discovered that he has and then asked to no longer be associated with his brand/withdrawn the blanket approval that was previously set up.

As an example, at a national 'do' for a sports organisation that I'm involved in, it used to be traditional to use We Are The Champions right at the end of the music-punctuated prize-presentation, the lighting/sound box technicians having it amongst their stock of PRS-paid-for tracks, for event use. I have no idea what paperwork may have been needed to do, post-event, to state "We played this tune, please apportion credit from the licencing fund to Queen's management company" or what happens.

But if Freddie (still alive)/Brian/etc had heard that we had used their music and had dissaproved of being associated with our sport (unlikely, for several reasons), then the Nuclear Option might have been to deregister from the whole "any legitimate fee-paid venue can use the track at any qualifying event" process, perhaps, while we'd probably have stood down our practics if merely informally asked by a representative (but then we weren't total inconsiderate bastards[1], further decreasing the likelihood that the request would even be made).

It sounds like Trump's 'rally machine' has been using the standard "Now That's What I Call A Political Rally!" set of CDs, prelicensed songs, dirges, melodies and stings available to be chosen from for all those who are in that category, large or small, likely as a small paragraph somewhere in the forty-third page of a standard music-release contract offered to most artists.

So, what to do?
1) Ask nicely. Seems to have been tried before, from what I know of the Stones's battle. Probably tried this time but already didn't work.
2) Disentangle from the whole thing with the Nuclear Option. Takes time, probably takes money (buy-back, various related punitive cancellation/re-contracting fees, that sort of thing) and all for one instance in amongst so many less controversial or far less prominent uses.
3) *mumble mumble mumble* Injunction *mumble mumble* Highest court you can afford to petition *mumble mumble* Money for old lawyers...
4) Do any/all/none of the above while being very vocal that you are not happy with the situation, not complicit, by jo means a supporter. (This part can cost the price of a Tweet, which these days is probably only a few Followers who "used to like you, man, but then it turns out you're bought out by the Deep State, shame on you!"[2], and maybe a few others realise that you're still alive and start to Follow you.)


Whatever is happening, to me, it just shows how few people I like actually like him (always nice to know that your favourite '50s, '60s, '70s, whatever artist/band/supergroup aren't ready to do actual warm-up for such gigs). To others it reinforces the polar opposite. I'm not sure it changes much, but then I've not been overly worried by the few of 'my kind of person' who have indeed openly allied themselves with #MAGA, at least the ones I remember learning about[4] and - moreover - I'm not the kind of person to suggest anyone who doesn't agree with me and don't like 'reality' should leave my (or, as applicable, their) country when I haven't left any country myself whenever the fortunes were reversed.




[1] We actually phased out the track years ago when it was pointed out (by a Champion) that the line "No time for losers..." was perhaps a little too jubilant a phrase and not in keeping with our sport, where 'losers' do indeed get a time and can always hope to better it even if they aren't going to be parading round the auditorium with a huge silver-gilt trophy anytime soon.

[2] ...but written less coherently. Probably grossly misspelt[3], and uses the word "cuck" (or should have, but misspell it).

[3] That would be 'misspelled' misspelled over there, but I know that I haven't misspelt 'misspelt'. ;)

[4] Of course, I had to check this out. Scott Baio? Really? And surely not Dean Cain!  Well, John Voight already trashed the classic Jim Phelps character for me, I was never into Rosanne Barr, and most of the others listed being irrelevent to me, unknown to me and/or just plain weird like with Malik Obama.
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