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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40620 on: October 22, 2020, 12:11:02 am »

You mean the "Hunter Biden Hard Drive" boogaloo?

Where among other things, there's really bad english emails from that ukrainian energy company, thanking him for arranging meetings with then VP Biden? (and a racy home-porno of Hunter and an unidentified woman, engaged in sexual antics involving crack for 12 minutes).


I would say that qualifies as "Distraction"- given Trump grabs women by the pussy and brags about it.
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« Reply #40621 on: October 22, 2020, 12:32:56 am »

You mean the "Hunter Biden Hard Drive" boogaloo?

Where among other things, there's really bad english emails from that ukrainian energy company, thanking him for arranging meetings with then VP Biden? (and a racy home-porno of Hunter and an unidentified woman, engaged in sexual antics involving crack for 12 minutes).


I would say that qualifies as "Distraction"- given Trump grabs women by the pussy and brags about it.

No, I think he means this:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film


Catholics, Christians

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« Reply #40622 on: October 22, 2020, 12:35:10 am »

Yes I meant Rudy himself apparently getting caught in what the Guardian (who broke the story; I assume it was from an advance copy of the movie) have dubbed a compromising situation vis-a-vis his appearance in the new Borat film. Context: Borat is a film where Sasha Baron Cohen goes around with outrageous disguises and absurd premises and nevertheless gets people, famous and otherwise, to do things they would generally prefer not to be recorded doing or agreeing to. SBC has been doing this for some 30 years; for instance he got Trump to appear in the 90s about a "Ice Cream Glove" idea; in another film he got Ron Paul to appear (confusing him with "Ru Paul"), in the first Borat he got an American crowd to sing "Throw the Jew down the well", in 2018 he got Dick Cheney to sign a "Waterboarding Kit". He's a testament to "people generally assume that you are what you look like you are." and people will agree to things that they claim they'd never do if coaxed properly (read: enthusiastically).

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In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist.

Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras.

After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”

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Giuliani continued: “I only later realised it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen. I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn’t get me.”

Viewers may be less convinced that Baron Cohen, reprising his role as the bumbling reporter Borat Sagdiyev, and Maria Bakalova, who plays his daughter, Tutar, had no success.

In the film Borat is dispatched by the Kazakh government back to the US to present a bribe to an ally of Donald Trump in order to ingratiate his country with the administration. After the monkey earmarked for the gift is indisposed, Borat’s supposedly underage offspring becomes the replacement present.

Even before he reaches into his trousers, Giuliani does not appear to acquit himself especially impressively during the encounter. Flattered and flirtatious, he drinks scotch, coughs, fails to socially distance and claims Trump’s speedy actions in the spring saved a million Americans from dying of Covid. He also agrees – in theory at least – to eat a bat with his interviewer.
The timing for Giuliani and his Hunter "BUT HIS EMAILS" Biden crusade is amusing.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40623 on: October 22, 2020, 12:48:12 am »

Catholics in 2020: "Well you see the Pope is more of a Spiritual Leader you aren't supposed to literally obey things he says, it's a suggestion; religious guidance, open to interpretation you see."

After the Pope pointed out that Capitalism leads to people being exploited, I think he lost a lot of the American Catholics because "he's a damn commie."

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« Reply #40624 on: October 22, 2020, 12:51:12 am »

I doubt most American Catholics really know or even care what the Church believes, what the Pope believes, or what they themselves are technically obligated to believe by being Catholics. Deviation is near-ubiquitous.

This is what happens to you when you try to say people can't leave your religion. Sometimes they actually don't leave, no matter how heretical they get.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40625 on: October 22, 2020, 01:15:32 am »

Catholics are the Jews of Christianity?
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« Reply #40626 on: October 22, 2020, 01:18:31 am »

Catholics in 1066: "No, unfailing devotion to the Pope is required. He is not 'First among equals', he is the leader of the One Holy Church, and the Patriarch of Constantinople must be excommunicated for his arrogance in claiming equality to Rome."
Catholics in 1541: "No! No salvation through faith alone, no rejecting the authority of the church: refusal to acknowledge the authority of the Pope is unacceptable, and for this, we excommunicate Martin Luther and his followers. Rejection of the ultimate authority of the Pope and the clergy led by him is in essence rejection of Christendom and must be treated as such."
Catholics in 2020: "Well you see the Pope is more of a Spiritual Leader you aren't supposed to literally obey things he says, it's a suggestion; religious guidance, open to interpretation you see."

I haven't read back beyond this post which is the first on the page, but there's definitely an interplay between religion and power there, and not just in the Catholics. When you can no longer force them to obey, the rhetoric changes and it's all sunshine and flower power. For example, you had the whole Tibetan buddhist torture/mutilation stuff until fairly recently.

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Judicial mutilation – principally the gouging out of eyes, and the cutting off of hands or feet – was formalized under the Sakya school as part of the 13th century Tibetan legal code, and was used as a legal punishment until being declared illegal in 1913 by a proclamation of the 13th Dalai Lama.
So, in 1913 they banned cutting people's eyes out and stuff. But by any sort of reasonable interpretation, you wouldn't assume that such a brutal system magically turns into wine and roses because the leader banned them from doing the worst stuff. Sure, they banned cutting bits off people, but I'm pretty sure that some fairly nasty shit still going on after that: if you're doing that stuff and it's banned, then you work out the nastiest stuff you can continue to do and still get away with it. Once they were out of power (the Chinese being no better), they've rebranded in a similar way to the Catholics. And gaslighting heavily as to the history. Buddhism is widely known for their peace and tolerance: everywhere they're not in power, and it's largely the fact that they're in power almost nowhere that they have that reputation. See counter-example of Myanmar. It's one of the only nations where Buddhists are actually in power and they "somehow" are doing nasty genocide shit. EDIT: well you might say "Bhutan is nice and they're Buddhist" however one of the first things I read on the Wikipedia page just now was about ethnic cleansing accusations.

See Richard Dawkins pointing out that on almost all fronts, the official religion lags behind improved public morals, for example slavery, rather than being ahead of the curve. The pope's gay marriage announcement is actually a direct example of Dawkin's point.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40627 on: October 22, 2020, 02:44:00 am »

Can confirm, Buddhism is the Catholicism of East Asia, complete with crusades, fundamentalists, complex ritual, adherence to a dead liturgical language, and a schism centering around  a secularly powerful priestly caste vs. universal salvation including translating the holy texts into the local language.

There's even a Buddhist rough analogue of "Prosperity Gospel" (Soka Gakkai in Japan).

But that's probably a topic best punted to EastasiaPol.
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« Reply #40628 on: October 22, 2020, 07:31:17 am »

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In the film Borat is dispatched by the Kazakh government back to the US to present a bribe to an ally of Donald Trump in order to ingratiate his country with the administration.
I admire his balls[1], but even if I get a chance to watch this film[2] I probably won't. An intellectual version of Jack Ass, and that's not my thing either. Not saying I didn't like things like the Brass Eye episode on Cake  ("It's a made-up drug!") or Pædogeddon ("I'm talking Nonce-Sense."), from the Chris Morris stable, but that was just a half hour of (blackboard-scraping) whimsy, even if the programme ended up having very real questions asked in parliament (for it, not about it).

I thought Sasha "Is it because I is black?" Baron Cohen had shot his bolt in the US with the original Borat and follow-ups, even though there were reports ?last year?[3] that he'd been seen in-character running around New York. You can bet he tried to spoof Trump himself, but Rudy was probably as close as he could get without getting into the Kushner household.

[1] Maybe it's the cut of his mankini?

[2] Cinemas? A bit iffy. And unlikely to reach me by subscription streaming service or broadcaster.

[3] Time... not even sure about it anymore.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40629 on: October 22, 2020, 08:05:17 am »

I doubt most American Catholics really know or even care what the Church believes, what the Pope believes, or what they themselves are technically obligated to believe by being Catholics. Deviation is near-ubiquitous.

This is what happens to you when you try to say people can't leave your religion. Sometimes they actually don't leave, no matter how heretical they get.

Wait there's a book I'm supposed to read?
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« Reply #40630 on: October 22, 2020, 08:19:21 am »

Well, Catholicism is kinda notorious for its admonition against "Sola Scriptura", and wants to very much beat on the rhetoric and dogma of the papacy in conjunction with the core doctrines of the bible itself.  It is very much of the opinion that the average lay catholic is not sufficiently educated to interpret scripture correctly, and likely to take it into obscene and degenerate directions, which is why they have these objections.

(and given how protestant groups have done exactly that, with abusing biblical verse to support basically anything and everything in a purely political nature... they clearly are not wrong...)


That doesn't mean they say "Well, the bible says this, but the pope says this, and you should listen only to the pope"--- It should instead be interpreted as "The bible says this, and the papacy asserts it has this interpretation---"


The problem, is that historically the papacy has not been... how to say it...  "Completely free of 'politically motivated' scriptural interpretations"... (ahem) either.
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« Reply #40631 on: October 22, 2020, 08:19:52 am »

Wait there's a book I'm supposed to read?
ISBN: 9780857522962
Number of pages: 128
Weight: 541 g
Dimensions: 267 x 163 x 14 mm

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« Reply #40632 on: October 22, 2020, 08:21:59 am »

Wait there's a book I'm supposed to read?
ISBN: 9780857522962
Number of pages: 128
Weight: 541 g
Dimensions: 267 x 163 x 14 mm


 ISBN-10 : 0618918248  might be a better choice for the serious. ;)
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« Reply #40633 on: October 22, 2020, 08:25:42 am »

I counter that with 9780091951702
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« Reply #40634 on: October 22, 2020, 08:29:42 am »

Yeah, like hell I'm opening random ISBNs. Last time I did that it was the collected works of Vladimir Lenin. I couldn't leave the library for a month.
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