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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #42555 on: December 06, 2020, 04:08:33 pm »

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« Reply #42556 on: December 06, 2020, 04:30:25 pm »

there was a sudden massive dump of droplets a mask simply couldn't hold back
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« Reply #42557 on: December 06, 2020, 04:39:22 pm »

Yep the mask would simply break open flooding your system with a deluge of diseases the little houses in your immune system just can't handle, Covid, SARS, Polio, the T-Virus.  It would be a catastrophe as your body's foundational antibodies would be washed away for years. 

Better to just lick doorknobs that will get all your antibodies used to living under horrible deadly disease so that it does not bother them as much.
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« Reply #42558 on: December 06, 2020, 04:58:07 pm »

Yep the mask would simply break open flooding your system with a deluge of diseases the little houses in your immune system just can't handle, Covid, SARS, Polio, the T-Virus.  It would be a catastrophe as your body's foundational antibodies would be washed away for years. 

Better to just lick doorknobs that will get all your antibodies used to living under horrible deadly disease so that it does not bother them as much.

its Three Stooges Syndrome, man
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« Reply #42559 on: December 06, 2020, 05:08:46 pm »

Still, leaves a bit of transparency to be desired. For future reference, there should probably be a publicly-announced, easily-accessible, and compiled written record of who enters and leaves, their affiliation, as well when and why they left or entered. Preferably with video recording as well. Observers and poll workers should presumably also be informed with recorded delivery of any sudden changes to the process, such as what Starver mentioned, as well as recorded delivery of their response.

Probably also a good idea to make the ballot boxes more unique so they don't look like suspicious suitcases.

You have people all over the country--and indeed the world--scrutinizing the election. Not everyone is familiar with how the state has set things up. So there's something that could be improved, if only so people aren't left guessing.
I mean yeah, we should have consistent federal election rules, but given how republicans really don't want that because they like voter suppression and stopping black and poor people voting that isn't going to happen.
You have people all over the country--and indeed the world--scrutinizing the election. Not everyone is familiar with how the state has set things up. So there's something that could be improved, if only so people aren't left guessing.
I disagree here. There isn't any debate with any actual facts about the legitimacy of the election, especially on the global stage. You just have people trying to make up issues because The Donald says it was all rigged and they believe him despite all evidence to the contrary.
The fact that they have found so few things that hint at any impropriety after looking at every single polling place and counting place in every state, many of which are just staffed by volunteers is actually a sign of how few issues there really were with the elections.

I don't think there is honestly any degree of transparency or level of proper procedures that would have stopped Trump from calling this election rigged and having tens of millions people believe in him.
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« Reply #42560 on: December 06, 2020, 05:33:31 pm »

I'm one of the fiercest critics of election rules as they stand, due to being a pollworker at every election, big or small, since 2014. But lo and behold no one cares most of the time; not even now. Inconsistency is literally the legal law of the land.

Hell the big PA lawsuit rests on Trump complaining that the fact that Republican counties disregarded advice from the state to inform voters that they can (but have a short window to) cure mail-in or absentee ballots that were rejected due to the voter messing up the paperwork; and then alleging this constitutes unequal treatment. An interesting argument! Of course the logical conclusion of this is to force voting to be equally done across the board but that's not the intent of the suit; the intent is to overturn the election.

On a related note: Trump announced that his Chief Lawyer for his campaign to overturn the election, Rudy Giuliani, has COVID. It's unknown whether he is symptomatic or how this will effect ongoing efforts, or why Trump announced it (and not Rudy).
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« Reply #42561 on: December 06, 2020, 05:36:30 pm »

Obviously, those that didn't reason themselves into a position will have a difficult time reasoning themselves out of it.

However, I think it's important that we enable people to fight off misinformation early on rather than having to wait for a third-party newspaper to do it for them. Lies travel around the world faster than the truth can get its pants on and all that.

Making it easy and preferably obvious to know where to look for evidence is the first step. We no longer live in a world where we have to take the media's word for it all the time.
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« Reply #42562 on: December 06, 2020, 05:45:50 pm »

A febble attempt to sweep all under the rug? "Oh she is sick, so we will drop things for now... and well... oh look over there, what is that?!" -dashes to the horizon.
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« Reply #42563 on: December 07, 2020, 03:11:59 am »

Making it easy and preferably obvious to know where to look for evidence is the first step. We no longer live in a world where we have to take the media's word for it all the time.

The entire reason Qanon and adjacent conspiracy theories have flourished this year is that there are so many people trying to look for evidence without taking the media's word for it.


This is literally impossible. No human being can come anywhere close to forming a first-order approximation of a first-order approximation of a hundredth of a hundredth of the information they care about from raw sources. Human brain isn't up to it, and there aren't enough hours in the day.

Just on the current subject, understanding why that video is not evidence of wrongdoing requires exhaustive understanding of the vote-counting rules and procedures of fifty independent governments. This understanding has to extend not only to the written laws, but to the realities and unwritten standards that have evolved over literal decades (two centuries in the case of at least half the states) of carrying out this ritual.

Nobody can do that while having an understanding of military procurement, tax policy, polling methodology, economic theory, or demographic analysis. To say nothing about the literally thousands of other factors that are needed to make an informed choice on who to vote for in an election. That's why we have a shitton of specialists to take the one thing they're good at and boil it down to something the rest of us can easily grasp without that deep foundation. This allows us to make informed decisions without going deeper than "is this group of experts trustworthy.
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« Reply #42564 on: December 08, 2020, 03:06:47 am »

So apparently state police raided the home of a woman who was posting daily Florida covid numbers, apparently threatening her children and her with guns.

She used to work for the official florida covid website.  She claimed they ordered her to change the numbers to make things look better.  She refused, and Desantis said she was fired for insubordination, all but confirming her story. But it was all forgotten about.   Since then she was using publicly available sources to tally the 'true' covid numbers and death toll and post it on her own website.  No arrests were made they just broke down the door, came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

Supposedly they claim she was emailing her old collogues.  Which is apparently hacking. But...hacking is a crime, if she was hacking, why didn't they arrest her?

Correction They threatened to break down the door, she opened the door herself after they did.
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« Reply #42565 on: December 08, 2020, 06:33:42 am »

No arrests were made they just came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

You mean they came in and stole all of this. Confiscation implies that proper authority to do so is possessed.
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« Reply #42566 on: December 08, 2020, 07:52:43 am »

No arrests were made they just came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

You mean they came in and stole all of this. Confiscation implies that proper authority to do so is possessed.

They do have proper authority. Suggesting otherwise means theyíve done something wrong and will get punished for it, and that is vanishingly unlikely.
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« Reply #42567 on: December 08, 2020, 07:55:52 am »

Doing something wrong doesn't necessarily mean one will be punished.
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« Reply #42568 on: December 08, 2020, 07:59:31 am »

Usually because the people in a position to punish them are the people giving them the authority to engage in the bad behaviour :p
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« Reply #42569 on: December 08, 2020, 08:04:41 am »

They didn't actually have authority to perform a home invasion and commit theft. Whistleblowing isn't a crime.

Also, it's disingenuous to suggest that the police always have authority to perform unlawful breaches of civil rights. The fact that they are almost never punished for doing so is a feature of the police force as an institution, and both statements can coexist.
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