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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #42510 on: December 06, 2020, 05:36:30 pm »

Obviously, those that didn't reason themselves into a position will have a difficult time reasoning themselves out of it.

However, I think it's important that we enable people to fight off misinformation early on rather than having to wait for a third-party newspaper to do it for them. Lies travel around the world faster than the truth can get its pants on and all that.

Making it easy and preferably obvious to know where to look for evidence is the first step. We no longer live in a world where we have to take the media's word for it all the time.
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« Reply #42511 on: December 06, 2020, 05:45:50 pm »

A febble attempt to sweep all under the rug? "Oh she is sick, so we will drop things for now... and well... oh look over there, what is that?!" -dashes to the horizon.
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« Reply #42512 on: December 07, 2020, 03:11:59 am »

Making it easy and preferably obvious to know where to look for evidence is the first step. We no longer live in a world where we have to take the media's word for it all the time.

The entire reason Qanon and adjacent conspiracy theories have flourished this year is that there are so many people trying to look for evidence without taking the media's word for it.


This is literally impossible. No human being can come anywhere close to forming a first-order approximation of a first-order approximation of a hundredth of a hundredth of the information they care about from raw sources. Human brain isn't up to it, and there aren't enough hours in the day.

Just on the current subject, understanding why that video is not evidence of wrongdoing requires exhaustive understanding of the vote-counting rules and procedures of fifty independent governments. This understanding has to extend not only to the written laws, but to the realities and unwritten standards that have evolved over literal decades (two centuries in the case of at least half the states) of carrying out this ritual.

Nobody can do that while having an understanding of military procurement, tax policy, polling methodology, economic theory, or demographic analysis. To say nothing about the literally thousands of other factors that are needed to make an informed choice on who to vote for in an election. That's why we have a shitton of specialists to take the one thing they're good at and boil it down to something the rest of us can easily grasp without that deep foundation. This allows us to make informed decisions without going deeper than "is this group of experts trustworthy.
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« Reply #42513 on: December 08, 2020, 03:06:47 am »

So apparently state police raided the home of a woman who was posting daily Florida covid numbers, apparently threatening her children and her with guns.

She used to work for the official florida covid website.  She claimed they ordered her to change the numbers to make things look better.  She refused, and Desantis said she was fired for insubordination, all but confirming her story. But it was all forgotten about.   Since then she was using publicly available sources to tally the 'true' covid numbers and death toll and post it on her own website.  No arrests were made they just broke down the door, came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

Supposedly they claim she was emailing her old collogues.  Which is apparently hacking. But...hacking is a crime, if she was hacking, why didn't they arrest her?

Correction They threatened to break down the door, she opened the door herself after they did.
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« Reply #42514 on: December 08, 2020, 06:33:42 am »

No arrests were made they just came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

You mean they came in and stole all of this. Confiscation implies that proper authority to do so is possessed.
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« Reply #42515 on: December 08, 2020, 07:52:43 am »

No arrests were made they just came in confiscated all of her computers, cellphones and ISP equipment and left.

You mean they came in and stole all of this. Confiscation implies that proper authority to do so is possessed.

They do have proper authority. Suggesting otherwise means they’ve done something wrong and will get punished for it, and that is vanishingly unlikely.
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« Reply #42516 on: December 08, 2020, 07:55:52 am »

Doing something wrong doesn't necessarily mean one will be punished.
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« Reply #42517 on: December 08, 2020, 07:59:31 am »

Usually because the people in a position to punish them are the people giving them the authority to engage in the bad behaviour :p
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« Reply #42518 on: December 08, 2020, 08:04:41 am »

They didn't actually have authority to perform a home invasion and commit theft. Whistleblowing isn't a crime.

Also, it's disingenuous to suggest that the police always have authority to perform unlawful breaches of civil rights. The fact that they are almost never punished for doing so is a feature of the police force as an institution, and both statements can coexist.
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« Reply #42519 on: December 08, 2020, 08:21:46 am »

‘Taint disingenuous when they appear to be able to do it at will sans censure. It’s terrible, sure, but even if they get punished in this instance, it’ll be explained away as the individual officers getting carried away rather than an institutional abuse of the authority their higher-ups, or the politicians controlling their purse strings, have.
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« Reply #42520 on: December 08, 2020, 12:21:30 pm »

They have the guns and the backing of the state, monopoly on violence yadda yadda, they have the authority to do whatever they want. Cops can shoot unarmed people in broad daylight and the worst that usually happens is they lose their job and have to go work in a different precinct. Not surprising that they're being used basically as brownshirts to silence dissent. Abolition is the only way forward
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« Reply #42521 on: December 08, 2020, 12:27:55 pm »

...if the police is abolished then how will you guys enforce laws? Even in a rehabilitative system someone needs to arrest criminals. Just wondering.
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« Reply #42522 on: December 08, 2020, 12:50:56 pm »

Also, define "authority" please because you seem to be using it to mean "ability"

They have the guns and the backing of the state, monopoly on violence yadda yadda, they have the authority to do whatever they want.
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« Reply #42523 on: December 08, 2020, 12:58:39 pm »

...if the police is abolished then how will you guys enforce laws? Even in a rehabilitative system someone needs to arrest criminals. Just wondering.

Even in a policeless state, someone will enforce laws... now, that may be individual vigilantes, local militias, or corporate paramilitary, but when the moral highground is on the table and up for grabs, someone will go out of their way to snatch it up. Now, exactly what laws they'd be happy to enforce, and how they would go about enforcing them, that's the question.
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« Reply #42524 on: December 08, 2020, 01:29:15 pm »

...if the police is abolished then how will you guys enforce laws? Even in a rehabilitative system someone needs to arrest criminals. Just wondering.

The police are used overwhelmingly to oppress poor marginalized communities, when was the last time you saw white collar criminals being tackled to the ground and beaten half to death or gunned down in the street while unarmed. White collar crime is usually much more destructive to other peoples' lives than someone who is using illegal drugs, but other than a few highly publicized outliers they let those people off with a slap on the wrist or a fine while they fill up prisons with poor black and brown drug offenders.

Also, define "authority" please because you seem to be using it to mean "ability"

They have the guns and the backing of the state, monopoly on violence yadda yadda, they have the authority to do whatever they want.

The right to exercise social control, as determined by the laws of the state, over other people.
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