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[EuchreJack]

So basically they can never get along good enough to be do such a drastic thing.

... it's amazing how Congress never fails in it's vote to raise the salary of Congressional Representatives...

[hector13]

Rick and Morty did an episode that involved that.

I mean it also involved Rick trying to get a presidential pardon by transmogrifying himself and Morty into turkeys and then the president transmogrifying into a turkey and then the turkeys taking over the America, but it was a good episode.

[Laterigrade]

This thread seems to need a neverending stream of controversiality to keep chugging along.

[EuchreJack]

This thread seems to need a neverending stream of controversiality to keep chugging along.

Sir, your comment is not controversial enough to fuel the thread.
I consider this failure on your part to be highly controversial.
Crisis adverted.

[Autohummer]

All Jedis should be considered potential Siths.

[Frumple]

Pretty sure that's the exact opposite of controversial? That's explicitly canon to the setting, or something close to it.

[Rolan7]

I could be pedantic and say "Sith" and "Jedi" are already plural words, but that would make my post unpopular... oops!

Yeah though, Jedi police each other obsessively for hints of the dark side.  I feel like it's implied that their fear of the dark side leaves them emotionally stunted and ironically vulnerable to "falling".  "Oops I slipped up or did a bad thing for good reasons, guess I'm fully evil now.  Wow emotions are fun actually, I'm never going back!"  Unleashes a lifetime of weaponized resentment before burning out

Whereas rogue force users can have both strong emotions and the maturity to control them.  Theoretically.  A lot of them seem to go the edgy anti-hero direction, but that's probably due to being hunted by both Sith and Jedi (and being marketed to edgy teens).

[EuchreJack]

Reasonably sure most force users need to learn unlock their powers from someone, or they don't realize they're actually doing anything.
...so they're going to pick up the crazy from their teacher.

[Frumple]

Eh, it depends on a lot of things. There's entire planets/species of force sensitives in the setting that do all sorts of stuff without organized instruction. Some do need instruction to figure out what's going on (primarily when they're manifesting the more subtle powers, as opposed to overt telekinesis or lightning or whatever), but it's not a universal thing. There's actually a fair amount of force users outside the jedi/sith cohort, far as I'm aware. They just don't get much screen time in the relevant media.

[Starver]

Prominent 'latent' Force Users (escaped the tutilidge system, therefore drawn fully neither to the Dark nor Light Sides) include Han Solo and Jar Jar Binks.

[Egan_BW]

I mean, Luke ain't exactly very monk-like either, but in the end succeeds through the power of friendship and such. The jedi under him would have to look pretty differently from the cult of stunted emotions it used to be.

[Rolan7]

Prominent 'latent' Force Users (escaped the tutilidge system, therefore drawn fully neither to the Dark nor Light Sides) include Han Solo and Jar Jar Binks.

I honestly forgot that Jar Jar Binks's powers were never confirmed in canon, so I missed your joke and assumed that Han exhibited force powers in some EU story.

I sorta like Han Solo being a Badass Normal but it's a fine theory.  Then there's the notion that everyone is at least loosely connected to the force, which I like, but that's a mess of a conversation

[EuchreJack]

Han Solo has clearly stated that he is NOT a force user, in the same way that Harrison Ford has clearly stated that Rick Deckard is NOT a Replicant. 

Also, wasn't the pre-Clone War's Jedi track record of like 100 years since the last Jedi turned to the Dark Side? They seemed to be doing quite well until Political Animal Palpatine joined the Sith.

[Starver]

Well, you can't take Han's word for it. He (for most of his life) dismisses The Force as being nothing more than 'luck'.

That he is hyper-competent and/or hyper-lucky in most things he does seems to be relevent. That he thinks he is an otherwise 'mundane' person is not proof-positive (see an example in another genre). Certainly an innate - if unconscious - link to the Force explains much of his story-arc. Navigation, piloting, combat(/escaping combat) and weapon-use, language skills (understanding/being understood), actually getting the hunk-of-junk Millenium Falcon to fly at all[1]. And happening to be in just the right place at the right time on more occasions than plausible, given the size of the galaxy.


As for Jar Jar: hyper-incompetent yet hyper-lucky to compensate. Possibly the unknowing balance-in-the-Force for the Jedi-heavy era, just as Han is a key rebalancer in a Jedi-light one.


Anyway, I was happy to posit this here, in the Unpopular/Controversial Ideas Thread, as a not entirely unknown idea with decades of back-catalogue to it (at least for Han). I was actually worried that it might be too acceptable to everyone, cheers for clearing that up. (I refrained from mentioning Chirrut, as he also clearly believed, whether or not he was also similarly plot-armoured.)

[1] Lando might be ok being just having had a history with it. Rey+Finn, either/both being Latent at the time in their own way, got the abandoned Falcon flying and in combat straight out of a junkyard...

[martinuzz]

C'mon guys, you can get more controversial than that.

Jedi's were taught to not have emotions by Spock.