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[NUKE9.13]

I must commend your admirals for trying. It's completely pointless of course, as icebergs are more dangerous than whatever you can put together.

My advice? Add white flags to your boats and beg for mercy.

Tell that to your poor, unarmoured infantry. You may rule the seas, but wars are won by boots on the ground.

(Keep telling yourself that, NUKE9.13. Don't let them see you cry.)

[Aseaheru]

 Our infantry has armor, just not those suits of insanity.

[Mandemon]

Unlike Forenia, Cannalan infantry is armored for modern warfare. Not to deal with medieval knights.

[Taricus]

Explains why they die in peasant quantities

[Mandemon]

Turbados Today, brining you the Truth of Tomorrow, Today!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cRoFUTOa9ni8YA6obKbHTBWpsqNSRGAxN6FKeEUnuBY/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HR1CWOQJmbV6FpfprduIJopUgeisdA43q20TJfcp6AY/edit?usp=sharing

[Madman198237]

So, we're supposed to post our propaganda in this thread, correct?

(Speaking directly to whoever represents the US institution)
Forenia is a far superior investment of your time than Cannala. The Cannalans are actually pirates, with no legitimate claim to government. They freely raid and enslave. Recently, they enslaved a neighboring country, and now force them to work in degrading conditions. Forenia united of its own accord, after devastating wars, it is true, but it was relatively peaceful for our country. We are a very America-like country, full of the strength of industry, of science, of progress, and of freedom. Everyone has their own weapons, should they want them, has the freedom to do as they will where they will. And we hold no slaves, nor do we hold unfair control over those any who are not our enemies. Cannala is a ruthless nest of pirates and other lowlifes, not a nation. They are twisted slave owners who would stop at nothing to conquer yet more nations and add them to their fields and factories. We urge you, do not help them. Forenia has developed much more into the technologies of the sky, where the world is heading, and will gladly share them with you if you will share your technology with us.

[Light forger]

A Thesis on the Nature of Cannalan and it's link to Germany in the Great War.
Created By: The Forenia Ministry for Truth
Overseen By: The Forenia Ministry for Ethics
~~~

   Forenia is more like America then nearly anyone can imagine. Our issues are well cataloged but, in spite of our past we strive to best ourselves and our nation. However there is has always been a strand of Forenia that deeply reflects America our knowledge that a properly armed populace is important, the knowledge that true to Wilson thirteen points travel by sea is a sacred and important right and, that while often failing at it's task the role of the government is to enable to the people. Not for the people to enable the government. In this points we see a stark and deeply concerning difference in Cannalan.

   Rightly called a corrupt state Cannalan vulgarly disregards everyone of these important rights. The government offers nothing to it's people rather it suffers from some of worse excesses seen in the world. It's taxes are rather more just protection fees by another name. These taxes give nothing back to the people who they were taken from and instead are used to line the coffers of government elites. The right of freedom of travel is also ignored with any ship near Cannalan shores also most guaranteed to be raided. This stands in firm violation of President Wilson's thirteen points that even in the darkest of days during the Forenia civil war was left intact. Weapons are also limited as to insure that whose are ruled over can't overthrow the government in spite of it's vast flaws.

  Worse yet is the treatment of the Juraki people. Once the Forenia civil war was over people where even equal rights so that they may be active in government. Cannalan showing it's rotten moral core instead enslave these people and forced them to work on vast rum plantations. This is very much a case of the what should be outdated evil of slavery being proudly restored in Cannalan. The Juraki suffer evils that where rarely seen in even the depth of America slavery.

   At last we arrive to how Cannalan mirrors Germany before the Great War. Cannalan not merely content to enslave it's own people seek to expand their dominion aboard. Cannalan wrongly blaming Forenia for the rebels it's own misguided policies created started a unprovided war. Forenia firmly believing in the sacred right of free sea travel never created a navy seeing no reason. Cannalan spotting this choose them believing that like the British empire without a vast navy they would be no challenge. However just like America we are pushing them back thanks to the strength of our beliefs.

   A favorite lie of Cannalan is that we are just as bad as they are as we attacked the nearby British colony. This land however has long been rightfully Forenia's and the people who lived here begged for the right of self-determination but, where coldly refused. See that these rightful rebels would be crushed without help Forenia move to aid them and give them the self-determination they so dearly want. Cannalan on the other hand attacked an nearby independent island nation further proof of it's immoral aggression. However in spite of us being n the right we cannot defeat Cannalan without great cost and we like the nations of Europe we ask America for aid. For while Europe could defeat Germany it was the intervention of America that let them decide the terms of defeat and free the world from unneeded aggression.

[Mandemon]

Turbados Today! Get it while its still hot!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rymDvObnlj3LLnHb3MmYeb4afFayHn6nt0QwjW01MiM/edit?usp=sharing

[andrea]

War bulletin, get it while it is cold! ( this evening I should have one for this year)

[NUKE9.13]

'Inspired' by Lightforger's entirely accurate* newspaper (see Cannalan embassy):

Spoiler: Forenia Times article (click to show/hide)

United Forenia welcomes the people of Myark into the glorious federation!*
Ministry of Information warns of dangerous rebel elements resisting peaceful integration**
Following a geological survey revealing the cold, sparsely populated island of Myark to be rich in mineral resources, the United Forenian Government issued a generous offer to the people of Myark: they may now choose*** to join United Forenia as a sixth state, granted all**** rights and privileges that entails.
The UFS Archer and a handful***** of her sister ships have been sent to the island, to ensure that the message is safely delivered. A UFG spokesperson told the Times that this is not an invasion******, and not to worry about the cargo ships full of troops and materiel following the UFS Archer to Myark.


*This may be news to the people of Myark.
**Hostile takeover.
***They may choose to accept, or to die.
****Some.
*****Entire fleet.
******Since Myark is now part of UF, it is classed as a rebel suppression exercise.

...which is not a contribution to the current propaganda campaign, just some unrelated nonsense.

The below is, however.


Forenia's Vibrant Democracy: an overview.

Unlike certain countries *coughCannalacough*, which are run as single-party dictatorships by megalomaniacal madmen, United Forenia is a true democracy, second only to the United States in terms of political freedom. Though founded less than three years ago, Forenia is already graced by a number of political parties, whose debates in the halls of parliament can be heard for kilometers.
  The current prime minister, now in his second two-year term, is a member of the Unification Party, currently the largest party, being descended from the freedom fighters who, with the USA's generous assistance*, liberated the country from its tyrannical masters and established the new political order. As the ruling party, they are mainly concerned with the affairs of governance rather than politics.
  The National Forenian People's Party (NFPP) was recently established by two retired generals, Field Marshal Nikolai Antonov and Major General Tarik Karim, with the stated aim of uniting the country by bringing order to the streets, putting an end to attacks by radical separatists, and supporting the poor. Already it has several MPs looking to join the party, and has won the hearts of many through acts of charity throughout Forenia. Critics call them fascists, calling their acts of charity a 'sympathy grab'.
  The extreme-centre Moderate Party prides itself on its non-controversial stances on all issues. Favouring an even mix of conservative and liberal policies, the only things on their manifesto are items everyone in Forenia can get behind, such as an extremely high military budget and capital punishment for all forms of piracy. They hold a moderate amount of seats, and are moderately popular.
  The Forenian Self-Defense Advocacy Organization is a somewhat unorthodox political party, founded in response to both unrest on the streets, and calls for increased government power to deal with said unrest. The FSDAO is less concerned with winning elections, and more concerned with protecting their right to bear arms.
  The Socialist Party of Forenia are another response to divisiveness in Forenia. Formed by members of the former Arstotzkan government joining together with Moskurg's major trade unions, the SPF are advocating for a large number of national programs to assist with both the lower classes of society, and the expansion of policies to deal with the unsanctioned destruction caused by the old Loyalists, chiefly through the expansion of the Riot Control Force.  Further, they promise to lower the taxation rate thanks to revenue brought in by the nationalization of properties and businesses seized from arrested Loyalists and Loyalist-backing individuals.

These are just the first political parties to make their voices heard in our young democracy. No doubt others will emerge to espouse their own unique philosophies over the coming months. No one knows which parties will end up being major players, and which shall be relegated to the sidelines.
Worth noting is that all these parties have their supporters amongst the Engineering Bureau, leading to political debates happening not only in the halls of parliament, but also during design meetings.

[Powder Miner]

An essay seems to have been circling some of the sectors of Moskurg City and some rings of the FSDAO in other cities.

Spoiler: The Specter of Tyranny, by Nader Jabal (click to show/hide)

I cannot bring myself to hate the Kingdom of Moskurg, for it was my homeland, the land of my birth, and the land where I was raised. For the vast majority of my life, the Kingdom was all that I knew, and like many Moskurgers I idolized my land. And, to be sure, I will never stop being proud of my land's culture. But now that I have the advantage of hindsight, I can look back on the Kingdom of Moskurg with a more critical eye. I can look at the facts of my life up until now, and from them I can draw conclusions.

Towards the latter days of the Forenian War, I lived in abject fear. I was an engineer, see, in the war, and that meant I was privy to some of the closest, most classified details of the war. What if one day they decided I knew too much? What if the High Command were to decide I was of no more use? I would surely die, I thought, and thusly I slept with my Horsekiller at my side, I kept myself locked away. I was never directly threatened, until that final day of the war, though. That fear, that paranoia that gripped me -- it was my natural state. The knowledge hung over my head from the day of my birth that the King had power over my life and my death -- it merely became more certain a fear as the Forenian War approached its conclusion and the secret police carried out their killings -- I could scarcely imagine a world where that threat of death did not hang over me. Yes, I cannot bring myself to hate the Kingdom of Moskurg, and its traditions flow in my veins... but I must recognize its terrible, totalitarian nature, the ironclad, bloody fist that started the rebellion in Moskurg like the Arstotzkan fist did in Arstotzka. Moskurg and Arstotzka, they had been haunted by a terrible specter, of the bloodlust of dictators, of the terrible ruthlessness of their organizations... Forenia had been haunted by the specter of tyranny.

When they finally decided to get rid of me and the other engineers, when I fought and escaped to the United States of America, I was thrust into a system I had no real concept of. The specter of tyranny did not haunt the United States, even with the misery of the Depression. I did not have to fear for my death, nor did I have to fear violence, nor the confiscation of that what was mine. I was free to protect myself -- and America did not make a point of threatening the sanctity of its residents. It was a heaven to me.

Each month of those three years in America, I would learn something fascinating about that country's freedom. For example, the Americans once languished, but a hundred fifty years ago, under a government that threatened them -- the specter hung over their lands. But they killed the specter, a piece of history that fascinated me. The Americans killed the specter by throwing off their chains, and they formed a new government, one which would exist to fight off tyranny and injustice. It painted a  picture of a land of valiant people, who would stand vigilant against the specter, and who would live all the better for it. Truly admirable -- and admire the United States I do.

In the early summer of 1938, after three years of life in Virginia, I heard from a visiting former colleague of the outbreak of war against my homeland and I found that I could not stand by. Wishing to defend my homeland, I rushed over to provide my aid. I cannot overstate my joy when I learned of the new state of Forenia -- the Moskurg, the Arstotzkans, they had joined hands and they had killed their specter. Gone were the brutal axes of Moskurg's secret, unnamed police. Gone the cold knives of the Arstotzkan obedience bureaus. The Forenia I came back to half a year ago was a country free as the United States -- without the hanging threat of tyranny, the nation had settled into a sort of mostly friendly rivalry, a vibrant culture, and a free future. I had come back to a country I could admire with no regrets.

But we all must be wary of that specter, the threat that causes us to sleep with our guns by our sides, and much as the Americans we must be vigilant of its attempted return. For the specter of tyranny is alive and terribly well in Cannala. The sheer horror of that dictatorship in Turbados is painful to describe -- the raiding of those who simply wanted to make a living, their inability to protect themselves, and the plight of the Juraki people, living under the lash of slavery and the noose of the executioner: Cannala is a more truly oppressive nation than even either of the old regimes of Forenia had been. And its specter, it now seeks to spread. Cannala now seeks to spread this evil across the seas, so that the cloak of its specter may open over all of the South Pacific.

It is up to the vigilant men and women of Forenia to stop them, and to preserve freedom. This is why we fight.

[NUKE9.13]

Report by the ministry of Ethics regarding the invasion liberation of Myark:
As per the request of parliament, we have compiled this report. Our conclusion is that the liberation of Myark is not only permissible, but that to fail to act there would be unethical.
The arguments are as follows:

• Forenia long suffered under the yolk of the British Empire. As others before us have done, we threw off the shackles of oppression. It is right and proper that we aid our weaker brethren in Myark to do the same.
• The shared ancestry of the inhabitants of Myark and Forenia makes their unification a natural thing.
• The island of Myark is underdeveloped. The vast mineral wealth goes unexploited. To let them remain in poverty when prosperity is within their grasp would be unconscionable.
• Preliminary polling of a selection of Myark's residents suggests that they approve of the takeover.
• Given the threat to the safety of all independent nations in the area from state-sponsored piracy, bringing Myark under the protective wings of Forenia is an act of charity.
• As the British have never formally apologised and provided compensation for the many years of oppression inflicted upon us, it falls to us to 'repossess' items of the appropriate value, such as Myark.

We shall now expand upon these arguments in greater detail...[Report continues for 46 pages]

((Please feel free to suggest any other arguments))


On the subject of riots:
You may have heard about the frequent riots that take place in Forenia, and you may be worried. "Surely I don't want to visit such a dangerous and chaotic place?", you say.
Well, sit down, and let me clear up a few things for you. First, allow me to address your concerns for your own well-being: I assure you that you have nothing to fear from Forenians. For Forenians are a courteous and friendly people towards outsiders. It takes a great deal of effort to cause a Forenian to direct violence towards a foreigner, for you see, they much prefer to direct it at each other. Yes, my friend, you have nothing to fear: riots take place between Forenians and other Forenians, with foreigners allowed to join in only after acquiring a rioter's visa from the Ministry of Riots.
  Which brings me to your second concern: chaos. You fear not being able to navigate a city without encountering a riot, and having no way to reach your destination without passing through a violent mob. Once again, your fears are unfounded. For Forenian riots are well-organised affairs, overseen by the Ministry of Riots, who ensure that riots cause minimum amounts of distress for the day-to-day business of those not participating. As such, riots take place within designated rioting zones, during designated rioting times (with exceptions to both occasionally made if a request is submitted one week in advance), and are overseen by Forenia's proud, independent riot police. These brave men and women stand at the sidelines of a riot and ensure that it does not get out of hand, whilst simultaneously keeping score.
  And that leads neatly into something you may not know about Forenian riots: they are not just an idle pastime, they are the national sport! And like any good sport, there are points to be scored. I shall not burden you with the complicated rules of the game, for they are indeed so complex that no one individual comprehends them all. I assure you that you need know only the basics- which are easy to pick up- to enjoy watching a riot.
  For riot-watching is a popular pastime! Cafes and bars near rioting areas are often filled with eager viewers, cheering on their favoured team, making bets as to the outcome, and having a jolly good time. Larger riots are even broadcast over the radio, with an announcer calling out major plays above the din. Thousands, if not millions tune in to listen to these broadcasts, ensuring that there is always a little bit of riot in every household.

Some people- some Cannalan propaganda writers- will tell you in conspiratorial tones that some rioters are opposed to the government. To this I say: of course! The right to protest is a fundamental one, which all men should be free to execute- indeed, the lack of voices critical of their government is a sure sign that something is dreadfully wrong in Cannala. The UFG takes the concerns of protesters seriously, and does its best to address them.
  But there is one piece of foreign propaganda that truly makes my blood boil, as a proud Forenian. One thing I cannot stand idly by and listen to. One claim that demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of Forenia's rich culture: The claim that we claim that some riots are caused by foreign provocateurs. How dare you! How very dare you! We are proud of our riots! We would rather die than let our sacred right to riot be perverted by foreigners, especially pirates. If we were not already at war, I would accuse you of trying to incite one!

So there you have it. You have nothing to fear from Forenian riots- indeed, we welcome you to come visit Forenia to witness them for yourself. We're sure you will enjoy it, once you get used to it. And if the rest of the world criticises us for our riots? Well, perhaps it is an odd tradition. But we are proud of it, and not afraid to admit it. Unlike Cannala, which tries to wallpaper over their oddities in an attempt to seem 'normal'- a sure sign that they are ashamed of their actions, as they should be.

[andrea]

Letter from the president of Arstotzka national party:


I am the leader of a minor party based in the old GLORIOUS nation of Arstotzka. We fight as hard in the political battleground as we did in the real battleground of the war against Moskurg, for the benefit of our nations as we believe it to be the most important thing. We demand more resources, better life, more autonomy and self determination, the protection and promotion of the GLORIOUS Arstotzka culture and we propose periodic referendums to ask the people if they really want to keep this union, or split the nations to their historical borders.

For those reasons, we have been the target of many negative ads and political campaigns by the unionist government which currently rules our nation. They talk about unity, love, being nice together, forsaking our national identities to join one, unique, Forenia. I despise that plan as much as they despise ours.

Then, why am I writing this? Surely, it is not to support the Cannalan.  You see, as much as there are tensions and divergences between us and the government, as much as our goals are incompatible, I couldn’t call them illegitimate. Fools, maybe. And the Forenian state was founded in unfortunate circumstances indeed, with a revolution overthrowing the old Arstotzka and moskurg, that is true. However, after that we had elections. I can contest the fact that moskurg was called to decide for the future of the entire island including Arstotzka the GLORIOUS, but the elections were as fair as they could be in the aftermath of the war and it seems that the majority of our people, lured by the ease of peace, actually voted for the unionists. And despite everything, despite the hostility between our parties, the unionists haven’t significantly abused their power as government to suppress us, they haven’t banned us, they haven’t stopped us from gaining offices. While not successful on the national stage due to our regional focus, sadly not yet popular enough to outweigh the other nations in Forenia, we have gained some opposition seats in regional parliament and some other important minor positions. All this while going explicitly after the government party.

Considered all this, Forenia is a surprising example of a functional republic. I do not share its goal and did not wish its creation but the current government is not acting to suppress their opposition: in fact, there is a great number of parties active in Forenia with a wide range of opinions, elections are held regularly and public participation in debates is common. Until this is true, I will consider the government to have the mandate of the people to rule, I will follow their laws until they infringe my national rights, I will fight for it.

Political freedom is not even the greatest benefit that we enjoy in this island. Most importantly, instead of forcing us by law to love moskurgs, to relieve tensions and to allow us to remind everyone who won the last war they made regulated riots legal. It is now possible to meet up in a place and start punching moskurgs in the teeth without breaking the law! Of course they have the right to do the same, but where would the fun be if they didn’t hit back? Anyway, this is probably the most popular pieces of legislation and is a mark of a government which listens to the rights of its people. Like you Americans, we have a strong right to bear arms enshrined in our constitution: all the basic things needed for personal protection like flamethrowers , assault rifles, mortars and light tanks are commonplace household items.

Now compare and contrast this functional and legitimate, if not ideal, government with what we have in Cannala. A nation of pirates, with an history of raiding shipping lanes and a present of still raiding shipping lanes, it is only considered a nation because the highest thug, el president, managed to drive away all other pirate bosses. But even if fashioning themselves in such a great manner, they are in no way a functional modern nation. First of all, much of their economy and culture is based on robbery. But you are not inquiring about their viability as a nation, you are asking about legitimacy. Then I ask you, what opposition does el president have? Has he ever had a true challenger? Has any debate ever happened? No, he talks about elections but what in truth exist is a farce. He has absolute power and is keeping it without regards for other opinions. But who gave him that power? The strong men ruling in Europe got their position from regular election and parliament acts, or the approval of their king.  El president however has none of this and he is not even honest enough to admit it.

And how do they treat their people? In Forenia we have freedoms guns and legal riots. They could claim to enjoy many rights as well, but we are looking only at one side. Half of their population, the people of the Juraki shogunate, are enslaved by their Cannalan ruler. How is El Presidente representing them? Or do we say, in this age, that keeping half of your population as slaves is accepted? It would be another thing if the war was still going on, but they annexed them already. If they want them to be part of their nation, a legitimate government should include elements of both.

Furthermore, as the pirates they are, their word is worth less than their good sense. Many examples could be presented, but the most terrible is a tale from many of the Juraki refugees we sheltered in our nation. At the end of their war, the shogun proposed a duel to end the war, so that the lives of the soldiers could be spared the brutal fights. El president accepted and was defeated in a fair fight… or so it seemed when the trickery was revealed. He had himself substituted with a goon, exploiting the face covering armor, and had ordered his army to attack and slaughter the Juraki, catching them by surprise. A more recent example is the invasion of a nearby island. It was ruled by the pirate Redbeard, who survived assimilation in the Cannalan ‘nation’ only due to his friendship with el president. So much was this friendship worth when he needed extra resources.

So, to sum everything up: Forenia government, faulty as it may be in ideology, shows that it cares about its people and enjoys their approval, without abusing its position to repress other opinions. Cannala, on the other side, is ruled by the Head pirate and lacks legitimacy both internally, where it oppresses an entire half of its population, and externally, where it proved itself to be treacherous and untrustworthy.

I pray you to consider those facts when evaluating our nations.

[Mandemon]

Forenia's Vibrant Democracy: an overview.

Unlike certain countries *coughCannalacough*, which are run as single-party dictatorships by megalomaniacal madmen, United Forenia is a true democracy, second only to the United States in terms of political freedom. Though founded less than three years ago, Forenia is already graced by a number of political parties, whose debates in the halls of parliament can be heard for kilometers.
  The current prime minister, now in his second two-year term, is a member of the Unification Party, currently the largest party, being descended from the freedom fighters who, with the USA's generous assistance*, liberated the country from its tyrannical masters and established the new political order. As the ruling party, they are mainly concerned with the affairs of governance rather than politics.
  The National Forenian People's Party (NFPP) was recently established by two retired generals, Field Marshal Nikolai Antonov and Major General Tarik Karim, with the stated aim of uniting the country by bringing order to the streets, putting an end to attacks by radical separatists, and supporting the poor. Already it has several MPs looking to join the party, and has won the hearts of many through acts of charity throughout Forenia. Critics call them fascists, calling their acts of charity a 'sympathy grab'.
  The extreme-centre Moderate Party prides itself on its non-controversial stances on all issues. Favouring an even mix of conservative and liberal policies, the only things on their manifesto are items everyone in Forenia can get behind, such as an extremely high military budget and capital punishment for all forms of piracy. They hold a moderate amount of seats, and are moderately popular.
  The Forenian Self-Defense Advocacy Organization is a somewhat unorthodox political party, founded in response to both unrest on the streets, and calls for increased government power to deal with said unrest. The FSDAO is less concerned with winning elections, and more concerned with protecting their right to bear arms.
  The Socialist Party of Forenia are another response to divisiveness in Forenia. Formed by members of the former Arstotzkan government joining together with Moskurg's major trade unions, the SPF are advocating for a large number of national programs to assist with both the lower classes of society, and the expansion of policies to deal with the unsanctioned destruction caused by the old Loyalists, chiefly through the expansion of the Riot Control Force.  Further, they promise to lower the taxation rate thanks to revenue brought in by the nationalization of properties and businesses seized from arrested Loyalists and Loyalist-backing individuals.

These are just the first political parties to make their voices heard in our young democracy. No doubt others will emerge to espouse their own unique philosophies over the coming months. No one knows which parties will end up being major players, and which shall be relegated to the sidelines.
Worth noting is that all these parties have their supporters amongst the Engineering Bureau, leading to political debates happening not only in the halls of parliament, but also during design meetings.

Saving this so it can't be changed later...

[Taricus]

That's gonna get outdated as those parties evolve, just so you know