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Author Topic: Science Thread (and !!SCIENCE!! Thread!)  (Read 33399 times)

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« Reply #405 on: February 20, 2019, 10:02:05 am »

"The extent to which such ephaptic coupling alters the functioning of neurons under physiological conditions remains unclear."
I'm choosing to interpret this as neuroscientists/robots discussing what sex might feel like.
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« Reply #407 on: February 23, 2019, 06:05:16 am »

Expect to see some downside to that. If removing a single gene-sequence from the genome is an automatic win:win then you'd expect it to have mutated before, and have propagated through the population.

Having said that, many possible mutations could have evolutionary downsides that we basically don't care about. i.e. things that make you objective better, but less inclined to have children.

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« Reply #408 on: February 23, 2019, 06:14:00 am »

Expect to see some downside to that. If removing a single gene-sequence from the genome is an automatic win:win then you'd expect it to have mutated before, and have propagated through the population.

Having said that, many possible mutations could have evolutionary downsides that we basically don't care about. i.e. things that make you objective better, but less inclined to have children.

CCR5 delta 32 already DID spread through a human population.  The European population. Through selective pressure of small pox.
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« Reply #409 on: February 23, 2019, 08:21:56 am »

Yay, we're genetically betterededing!-?
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« Reply #410 on: February 23, 2019, 11:19:36 am »

Noting that this is sounding pretty much the plot of various "scientist inadvertently create the post-human race that will attempt to usurp humanity's place" stories.

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« Reply #411 on: February 23, 2019, 12:54:51 pm »

Despite best efforts, the authorities' attempts to detect the two rogue Eves (inadvertantly lost in the system due to circumstances too complicated to explain, but leading to the uber-twins now at large somewhere in some unpolicable asian megacity with the superhuman ability to outthink everyone and the inate biological imperative to create the next generation) is thereby foiled due to the initially click nceved blood-tests and skin scrapings being virtually indistinguishable from any other suspects rounded up along the way. Meanwhile, their hyper-intelligent brains and other gene-X influenced organs suffice to carry their similarly, or at least partly, seeded ovaries around with more than enough carrier-eggs at birth to bootstrap the next generation deep in the slums, within the next decade and a half, away from any official response short of actual indiscriminate genocidal overkill against the many innocents in the vain hope of destroying these two among them. A plan that is only considered once it is too late anyway and trans-human supporters or stooges have already smuggled enough fully Homo Neosapiens offspring out of the area (possibly into SPAAAAAACE!!!") and outside any hope of containment.

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« Reply #412 on: February 23, 2019, 01:24:34 pm »

Why is everyone in that article of the opinion that enhancing the human brain is a bad thing? It seems like an amazing idea to me

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« Reply #413 on: February 23, 2019, 01:26:08 pm »

Why is everyone in that article of the opinion that enhancing the human brain is a bad thing? It seems like an amazing idea to me

This. Obviously we shouldn't do it randomly and without care, but making the species better would be a good thing...
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« Reply #414 on: February 23, 2019, 01:32:26 pm »

I hear they're hiring at Gattaca again.
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« Reply #415 on: February 23, 2019, 01:35:46 pm »

The bad guys in that movie were his parents.
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« Reply #416 on: February 23, 2019, 07:30:31 pm »

Why is everyone in that article of the opinion that enhancing the human brain is a bad thing? It seems like an amazing idea to me

This. Obviously we shouldn't do it randomly and without care, but making the species better would be a good thing...

Yeah, I think we should try to improve our species but we've got a long way to go before we can do it ethically.  We've got to make sure edits we make work as intended and actually improve things, and also that it doesn't become a thing that the have-nots never get because they can't afford it.  Things like that.
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« Reply #417 on: February 23, 2019, 07:38:21 pm »

Why is everyone in that article of the opinion that enhancing the human brain is a bad thing? It seems like an amazing idea to me

This. Obviously we shouldn't do it randomly and without care, but making the species better would be a good thing...

Yeah, I think we should try to improve our species but we've got a long way to go before we can do it ethically.  We've got to make sure edits we make work as intended and actually improve things, and also that it doesn't become a thing that the have-nots never get because they can't afford it.  Things like that.

Pretty much. Socialism babies rather than designer babies.


...actually, I just remembered an audiobook I listened to a long time ago that had similar themes; someone had engineered a "superior" form of human and then set them loose after basically nuking the world to make way for the new strain.

One of the improvements he made was to pare down on the ambiguity of modern human sexuality and courtship. Instead, his new humans would simply sing loudly while their genitals swelled and turned bright blue (something very obvious, as his enhancements also made clothes unnecessary for these inheritors of the earth).


Very interesting book. Can't remember the title. Author included some passages about a video game, while clearly having no idea how video games function.

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« Reply #418 on: February 23, 2019, 08:57:21 pm »

I recall a book I read (late '70s, early '80s) in which an individual had a spontaneous mutation that gave him something like particularly aggressive sperm in acid seminal fluid and a 'repackaged' penis (possibly a penile/vaginal combo?) that in all but the most deliberate circumstances made rape (of males, as exclusive preference I think) fatal. When done carefully, though, the introduced genetic material would transform (Crispr-ise?) the recipient into a compatible aggressively-biological hermaphroditic member of the new mutation (now capable of safe mutual impregnation to conceive 'natuural' nu-numans).

This book was from the library, the few shelves of sci-fi/fantasy shelves between the children's section and the mainstream adult fiction room, which I was totally devouring at the time (where I encountered the first couple of Discworld novels, and got hooked*). I suppose it (the shelving) was aimed at what these days would be termed Young Adult. Which doesn't explain how on Earth such a blatantly homoerotically-themed novel found itself within easy reach of unsuspecting readers of delicate ages. One assumes it never survived Clause 28, if it even survived long enough for that without some more prudish reader complaining about it.

(I'd been crossing the corridor into the (age-wise) adult sections of the library for years before I was actually adult - there weren't any borrowing restrictions such as adult/child-specific library tickets. But I'd taken far too long to discover the interesting shelves with the SF on them.)


But as this is the Science thread and not a Reading Matters or Sexuality thread, maybe you could pick holes in the whole fully-formed in-vivo Horizontal Gene Transfer mechanism (and delivery system!) somehow evolving into reality in a single birth. Without deliberate (and competent?) design behind it.



* Plus L Ron Hubbard's fictional works, like the Mission Earth decalogy. Which had some of Elron's stranger ideas I later heard had been ploughed into his 'church' (see also Battlefield Earth) but also some rather extreme scenes of perversion that I probably shouldn't describe beyond the "Earth prostitute becomes sex-tutor on alien world" and "mad (alien) plastic surgeon basically creates human(sic) centipedes", because both those are dodgier than I've actually explained them.  Anyway, all that livened my reading list up, certainly. Better than Piers Anthonthy.
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« Reply #419 on: February 23, 2019, 11:29:22 pm »

I think you're probably the first and only person to ever make any sort of remotely positive comparison between Hubbard and Anthony and I am baffled because I can't figure out the metacontext in which this makes sense as some sort of ironic joke. I mean Anthony got cheesy as hell at times but nobody compares to someone who failed at writing so hard he decided to start scamming people into joining a cult to make money.

As for science, and science fiction, it's hard to explain exactly why this gives me a feeling like we just unlocked a gamebreaking tech tree: Running an LED in reverse to cool electronics.

That combined with straintronics seems like a great area to invest development points.
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