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Author Topic: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May  (Read 11740 times)

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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #450 on: July 11, 2017, 09:30:31 pm »

By the way, given May's confidence that she'll get a trade deal from the US, I just want to point out that "no deal is better than a bad deal" needs to apply there, too.

(Trump is almost certainly going to press for a MAGA-strength deal, which pretty much guarantees that if anybody gets stiffed by it, it won't (as far as he is concerned) be the US.  So...  Good luck.)
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #451 on: July 12, 2017, 03:02:51 pm »

I stumbled into this today and I was immediately reminded of LW's scoffing at the LibDem wanting to stay in the Single Market. (It's a compilation of clips from Leave politicians, including Da Nigel, saying voting leave doesn't necessarily means leaving the single market).
But that's not including are based Nige m8, notice how they splice him in between the lolbertarians faction but don't actually put any of his opinions on the single market. y u spin are chinless nige, why create the mythology of smily brexit metal merchant actually being pro-EU, it's still aggravating that after all this time Remain are still trying to argue that everyone who voted to leave the EU secretly want to stay in the EU :/

Also as a clarification, I'm not scoffing at the LibDems wanting to stay in the single market, that's their political raison d'etre and no one can fault them for it. What is hilarious is poor Cleggers dropping his spaghetti when getting roasted for saying Leave = Leave single market, then saying Leave =/= Leave single market

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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #452 on: July 12, 2017, 03:07:34 pm »

He might or might not love it, but he sure was saying that stuff like the Norway option is possible if Leave wins, aka, stay in the Single Market.
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #453 on: July 12, 2017, 03:49:52 pm »

He might or might not love it, but he sure was saying that stuff like the Norway option is possible if Leave wins, aka, stay in the Single Market.
"We pay a membership fee. We have the free movement of people. We have a massive regulatory burden, and we're prohibited and stopped from making our own trade friendships with the rest of the world. Do not believe them when they tell you tonight that the single market is good for Britain. That we need to be a part of this club to access the single market. Every country in the world accesses the single market, and even in the worst case scenario that Britain does not have a successful renegotiation, and simply has to rely on WTO rules, even in that scenario, the cost of tariffs will be less than our net contributions."
No he's not, he's dispelling the argument that if we leave the EU there will be a continental blockade put upon Britain that will completely cut all trade between our nation and the continent. That video is made by Chuka Umunna's neoliberal Labour faction that recently failed to get the single market protection statement through Parliament, and they've deliberately edited the guy who was loudest about leaving the single market to make it seem like he's in favour of it. This is very much worth watching, because this mythology keeps coming back.
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #454 on: July 17, 2017, 05:34:13 pm »

In nine months, you'll have to prove you're over 18 to access porn sites in the UK.

Of course, this is done in the name of "But think of the children!"

So... has anyone else been feeling increasing dread for the future of the internet in the UK? I mean, especially after Brexit. At least the EU has lots of protections for it, but our government is steadily going towards "The internet is dangerous. Let us tell you how to use it." it seems.
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« Reply #455 on: July 17, 2017, 06:39:53 pm »

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But details as to how the scheme will work have yet to be finalised.
I'm all for "thinking of the children" (and generally against thinking about them), but I just don't see any reasonable route to enforcing all porn-sources from worldwide servers to fully comply with this legislation in any way that doesn't include a Great British Whitelisting Firewall, to stop the obvious non-compliancy that will occur, and all the effort needed.

OTOH, maybe I should proactively apply for a job with the BBFC, because they're gonna need people to do it all.  (And maybe I can ensure that, unlike BTInternet's Wifi hotspots, they don't block access to www.urbandead.com for no proportionate reason.)
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« Reply #456 on: July 17, 2017, 07:05:30 pm »

ROFL the picture in this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-brexit-no-notes-brexit-negotiations-a7845686.html Doesn't bode well for Brexit, does it? lol XD
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« Reply #457 on: July 17, 2017, 07:50:44 pm »

It's obviously the EU's fault he has no notes. I mean the U.K. is still part of the EU, and the Tories have been busy courting the fundamentalists after imploding their majority last month, the EU should've been working toward providing the information we need to negotiate a non-bad deal.

I mean this just provides more fuel for the fire that the U.K. is going to be so, so much better without the EU.
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #458 on: July 17, 2017, 08:07:09 pm »

ROFL the picture in this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-brexit-no-notes-brexit-negotiations-a7845686.html Doesn't bode well for Brexit, does it? lol XD
Not really concerned about no notes pictured, it's a non-story. Of course the Libdems believe negotiations are conducted on the size of papers you wield for photos, it's how they negotiated their way into a pit in the coalition government; to speak without notes, is an art a school child learns. There is a far more serious concern - that of the 2nd most powerful minister being at odds with May. It's particularly telling that the Independent do not play any video or provide any statement where he has clearly stated his objectives, rather they would seek to use a photo which speaks nothing to say that no objective is spoken. By contrast, Hammond is under fire for saying that train driving is so easy even a woman could do it and public sector workers are overpaid.

I do not believe the timing is coincidental, positing that the two factions will do their damndest to discredit the other and shrek their political careers to the best of their ability, for the obvious profit of gaining leverage in Brexit negotiations. Whether one faction is ultimately successful is important, yet even in victory the discord would certainly spell trouble. Cameron got his shit fucked up by backbenchers, this is a disagreement in the highest levels of office.
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #459 on: July 17, 2017, 08:11:36 pm »

You'd think that as they went into what are probbably going to be the most important set of negotiations in their careers they'd be able to pull the daggers out of each other's backs for five minutes.
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« Reply #460 on: July 17, 2017, 08:18:34 pm »

That'd just result in faster bleeding out.

Which, right now, is fine with me...
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Re: UK Snap Election Thread - Darth May
« Reply #461 on: July 17, 2017, 08:19:22 pm »

You'd think that as they went into what are probbably going to be the most important set of negotiations in their careers they'd be able to pull the daggers out of each other's backs for five minutes.
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« Reply #462 on: July 17, 2017, 09:55:20 pm »

In nine months, you'll have to prove you're over 18 to access porn sites in the UK.

Of course, this is done in the name of "But think of the children!"

So... has anyone else been feeling increasing dread for the future of the internet in the UK? I mean, especially after Brexit. At least the EU has lots of protections for it, but our government is steadily going towards "The internet is dangerous. Let us tell you how to use it." it seems.

Honestly, the EU has a lot of bullshit happening that's anti-internet as well. There's that group that keeps pushing the "linking to sites = copyright infringement" as well as the "search engines can't publish snippets in their search results without paying royalties" people (may be the same people, not sure.) Was one of the silver linings of brexit that the UK could get out from under that sort of thing.. but they seem to be perfectly willing to screw themselves over... so meh.
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« Reply #463 on: July 17, 2017, 10:34:12 pm »

Honestly, the EU has a lot of bullshit happening that's anti-internet as well. There's that group that keeps pushing the "linking to sites = copyright infringement" as well as the "search engines can't publish snippets in their search results without paying royalties" people (may be the same people, not sure.) Was one of the silver linings of brexit that the UK could get out from under that sort of thing.. but they seem to be perfectly willing to screw themselves over... so meh.
Aye, especially what with the whole arresting people over tweets critical of the gov thing. Last I checked, the two biggest Yuro nations pushing back against EU regulation of the internet were the UK and Sweden, with the caveat being that the UK's ministers were only opposed for commercial reasons
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« Reply #464 on: July 17, 2017, 11:01:17 pm »

Freeze peach? Was that an intentional typo? lol XD
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