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Author Topic: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux  (Read 11629 times)

Nirur Torir

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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2017, 04:33:52 pm »

Now I feel bad because I bought a hardsuit for *my* minion. >.>
I realized I'd rather just have mine sit in the helicopter and man a door gun.

Question: What weapons do the Mi-34 light helicopters have?
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2017, 04:40:34 pm »

@Glass
We actually can't put billboards on jeeps, or at least not if we want to get paid for them.  Aig said that the deal only works for aircraft, and aircraft that are clearly serving a purpose.  Thi is an obvious rule patch because I was originally going to spend 4 mil on jeeps, getting us 40,000,00 in advertising revenue.

Removing billboards from the pepsicopters serves no real purpose--a pepsiman squad isn't very powerful, and we get paid even if the copters are shot down.  I could see removing the billboards from our chopper though, and I suppose we might as well put light autocannons on them, though it would be best for them to flee immediately upon dropping troops, as they have no armor and can be taken down by infantry weapons.

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Note that combat hardsuits are amazing, and let you wield a light autocannon which is amazing.  Also, remember to get at least a gas mask for every person, along with a thermal cam, so we can spam teargas smoke and have nigh-immunity to bullets without being impeded ourselves.  I'd suggest also bringing a lot of teargas, because it's cheap compared to everything else, and helps us capture any ayys without protection alive--which means more money.  There's no particular reason to not coat the entire battlefield with massive amounts of teargas; even one captured ayy will probably pay for it, and it'll prevent enemies without thermal from being a significant danger.

@Nirur Torir
They have no guns, though we might be able to mount a single light autocannon on them.  Don't think too hard about the actual real-life capabilities of the thing, just go with whatever Aig rules.

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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2017, 04:46:53 pm »

About removing the billboard from our chopper... Remember that helos are still very noisy, and the enemy is likely to notice at least the giant swarm of billboarded helos. Consider if you saw a whole bunch of glowing flying machines, and a single non glowing flying machine. You might make the intuitive leap that the glowing ones are all decoys for the not glowing one, and aim for what is presumably the larger threat.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2017, 04:48:45 pm »

Ok. No pepsi billboard on our heli, yes for the others edit: maybe only half of them get the neon lights, so as to cancel out the "look at the anomaly" effect, gas masks and thermal cams for everyone, etc.

Hardsuit description in the OP says nothing about mounted autocannons. Did this get changed? Also, do we want every PC to get one anyway?

Do we know that tear gas actually works on aliens? I mean, they're aliens, their biology is, well, alien, and could make this work very differently.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2017, 04:51:21 pm »

Most likely it does nothing to them or kills them due to incompatible biology. We'll have to develop a different compound to get the same effects on aliens, which of course might be ineffectual or deadly to humans.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2017, 04:53:15 pm »

edit: maybe only half of them get the neon lights, so as to cancel out the "look at the anomaly" effect
That would REALLY eat into our profits.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2017, 04:53:30 pm »

Basically, we need to capture live aliens in order to develop things that will make it easy to capture live aliens. Wonderful.

Whelp, there's always tasers/"arc throwers". Electrical stimulation of the nervous system generally works.

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edit: maybe only half of them get the neon lights, so as to cancel out the "look at the anomaly" effect
That would REALLY eat into our profits.
No, like, get a few more helicopters, not get rid of the billboards on a few. We have tons of money to spend.
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Glass is, as usual, correct.
Yep, as ever, I bestow upon Glass the expected +1
I'm gonna say we go with whatever Glass's idea is.

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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2017, 07:06:34 pm »

Hardsuits can indeed wield light autocannons, maaaybe heavy ones, though heavies are generally inferior anyway.  It's yet another thing I asked Aigre in IRC.

Teargas is also useful for subduing civilian humans that get mind controlled, and coating the whole battlefield in the stuff is negligibly more expensive than just using normal smoke.  Aigre implied that it would be effective against ayys, so the possibility that it'll incapacitate all unarmored ones is worth the cost, IMO.

I think buying more helicopters and then only billboarding half would be unwise.  Each copter costs slightly more than 1 mil, and each billboard pays 2 mil.  If we only billboard half, we're not even breaking even if they all get shot down--and yes, that is a serious possibility, Aig runs deadly games--so we won't have the option to retreat.  Also, while we do have tons of money, we actually already need more, since we can't quite afford hardsuits and light autocannons for everyone and the mooks.  Though, I could spend less on Trump's share to help out anyone who can't buy enough.

Finally, though it can be really hard to be sure with him, I'm pretty sure Aig is limiting us to five paid billboards.  So we can't just spam eight pepsicopters.

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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2017, 07:22:18 pm »

That just means we need to get more sponsors.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2017, 07:23:10 pm »

I have tax class today... will update later.

Seems we're ready to start.

Also, no we don't get xp from simulations, only from live combat.

I think if one wanted to go full stealth, silent vtols exist. they are slow and expensive though.

Arc thrower equivalents should work, but later on we need to find ways to breach armor and hardsuits.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2017, 07:32:44 pm »

Count me in.

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Enclosed in the spoiler are some facts about obsidian over stainless steel for scalpels (I did my research) so you know there mechanics, its in spoiler so you don't have to read it if you don't want to, but it is short.
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Tell me what cost you think an obsidian scalpel should be please. Call it an improvised melee weapon I can also use for research.

I want to cram what we know about alien biology and technology before the mission.

Found it! We'll do a writeup on that soonish.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2017, 09:51:55 pm »

Aigre, if we have the money, and the helicopters can support it, I'd like to mount a light autocannon on each of the pepsicopters, and give the pilots thermal imaging cameras with gas masks.  249 rounds of ammo for each, bring total cost up to a nice round $500,000.  Up to $300,000 can be taken from Trump's ammo fund if necessary; I never thought he'd really need four thousand bullets.

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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2017, 12:01:55 am »

...I hadn't quite realized how much money we get.  Huh.  Well, I talked to Aigre in IRC, and got us an extension to the armory.

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And I'm redoing my inventories:

Money left over, subtracting cost of Trump's original loadout:
$4,404,200

Per player:
$1,101,050


I take no responsibilty for any mathematical errors within this post.  I've already spent enough time bean counting, not gonna go over it all again just to make sure.

MI-34 light copters can only carry 6 combat troops. So 4 copters can stuff 24 in them. Another 8 can ride in the Mi-26 heavy copter.

I guess I'll adjust the price of c4 to $50 per kg rather than 500. The modern military bulk price is about $30 per kg. 1 kg of C4 also does jack shit. Real bombs are in the hundreds of kilograms for good reason.

So... The numbers work out.

We have 32 Pepsimen as per Trump's template.

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Team Funds remaining: $1,159,525
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2017, 12:30:07 am »

Aigre, if we have the money, and the helicopters can support it, I'd like to mount a light autocannon on each of the pepsicopters, and give the pilots thermal imaging cameras with gas masks.  249 rounds of ammo for each, bring total cost up to a nice round $500,000.  Up to $300,000 can be taken from Trump's ammo fund if necessary; I never thought he'd really need four thousand bullets.

The Mil-34 is already super cramped. It was originally a 2+2 seater light utility copter, expanded to carry 6 troops into combat (because Mil-24 Hind crews refused to babysit infantry, but were willing to escort other copters with infantry).

It doesn't have hard points. The undercarriage is too low to jury rig a cannon on it. You can try squeezing it into the door with the rest of the troops, but it's going to be sardines in there.

On the other hand, Mil-34 is an ultra-agile copter, it can do aileron rolls and acrobatics, even with passengers in it. Mil-24 and Mil-26 are flying tanks, and are the go to gunships of choice.
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Re: ERRANT: UFO Defense Redux
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2017, 12:53:55 am »

Roll for information on alien biology: d20: (2) ahh well.

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