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Author Topic: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]  (Read 47668 times)

Marmaduke

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #555 on: April 11, 2018, 07:01:43 am »

My pretender was a Dormant Man-Eater with full scales and no bless. At some point it gave me access to Blood: I summoned Father Illearth and empowered scouts for blood hunting. In late game I was summoning Heliophagus, vampires, etc. Overall PEACENIK served me well. For Dom5, the new summons and the changes to luck might inform future designs.

I started expanding on turn 2 and managed to get all the mercenaries. I also got thousands of gold in events early on, fueling an elephant+mercenaries expansion. The first province I conquered had sages (no need for search) and I started hiring them nonstop, ensuring steep research curves from the beginning (according to my notes, at turn 28 I had thaumaturgy 5, conjuration 4, construction 6, evocation 6, about 1K RP/month...). By the start of the second year, I had 26 provinces, 2 forts, and I had surrounded a large number of independent provinces on my North. I reached 34 provinces on turn 19 but only 38 (about my max) on turn 34. Clearly, this expansion was gold, but I managed to waste it by my lack of talent at battlemagic in mid- and late game.

I started aggressing Ermor on turn 23 (by this time I had 5 forts, 6 mage-producing provinces). My goal was really to get rid of the undead; I had just lost a game to them as Ashdod and I did not want my last Dom4 game to repeat the pattern. At the same time, I did not fully commit to this war, even though I could probably have emptied my Eastern holdings of their garrisons thanks to a lasting peace with my neighbours. T'ien Ch'i going AI was bad news and something I did not understand as a player.
Ermor was a formidable and skilled opponent, first on the battlefied and then with assymetrical warfare (bane venom charm carriers, at some point I had 80+ afflictions healed/month). Fun fact: Ermor AI died in turn 70 something.

There were wars elsewhere I was not involved with, and my lowish or rather slowish commitment to the Ermorian war (building up big stacks) ensured that my overall losses were negligible, thus reinforcing my economic advance. I hired many priestesses and as a result my units were healthy and experienced. Two stars can change an average unit into an OK unit I think.

Hero Joe, my Prophet, was my start commander. Later on I empowered him in Blood so he could take part in communions and push his holy level to high levels (I got to H7 I think, he was also reinvingorating the mystic slaves). IIRC he died from Blood Vengeance. I resurrected him as a Mummy. My advice for Arco would be to Prophetize mystics (provided the communion raise in H levels still functions in Dom5).

Ulm and I, both neighbours of Ermor, allied early on. I conceded the Throne between us and we traded a little bit. C'tis was an enigma all game long, staying mostly to itself. Marignon was a distant partner but had I managed to stay in the T'ien Ch'i region longer I feel he might have attacked me, instead there was a war brewing between him and Ulm. Bandar Log was in a bad starting position and, after some time, we got into a secret alliance because I did not want him to be invaded by Agartha or Oceania. I funnelled thousands of gold and hundreds of gems and slaves to him.
Oceania was a bit of a mystery, even less involved in the war against Ermor and only launching what appeared to be short-lived token assaults on the undead. I suspected a secret alliance between him and Ermor, though who knows.
My feeling was that Agartha was the other big player. In my test game Agartha AI had won the day and scooped the Thrones. It took me some time to understand that all the graphically underground provinces were not necessarily cave provinces.

I started crafting artifacts at the end of the third year and did not stop until a couple of turns ago. I was complacent and had no focused strategy, instead trying to grab everything (royals, etc.). When Oceania, already the owners of Mother Oak and Gift of Health, cast Gift of Nature's Bounty and Arcane Nexus, I felt I had no choice but to commit everything to the conflict for the globals. I was 4 turns away from being able to cast my own Arcane Nexus, so I started by dispelling the Oceania one with moderate overcasting (I don't remember the overcast number, but it was not much). Then Oceania re-cast it and by that time I was able to snatch it. I also gave the gems to Bandar Log for the nature globals, and loaned him boosters (he crafted me a precious Robe of the Magi). At this stage (turn ~69) Agartha was not like USSR in 1945 (an ally / frenemy) but more like USSR in a Tom Clancy novel (invaders!) so I cast Wrath of God and later Vengeful Water. I was a bit imprepared but really I should have cast Vengeful Water much earlier. Now I still have 3 good globals (I dispelled Wrath of God with my Vengeful Water cast) so I am in a good position on that front but Agartha took many forts from me. I would be fighting an uphill battle but my fundamentals are better I think: gem income (I have Atlas of Creation-ed most of my territory), growing vampire count and still decent gold income despite the Armageddon that Oceania cast (I believe to try to kill my global caster, but the poor dude is cocooned in protecting items and cannot escape monitoring by bodyguards even to take a dump), and last but not least a better understanding of the way I suck at using Golems in battles.

On turn 78, I am 3 turns away from completing research of all schools of magic, which would be pretty cool. Obviously if I had a more competitive mindset, I would have stopped researching some time ago to muster a couple of huge communions (32+ slaves each). It was always more simple to keep the rat labs on research though. Yes, communion scripting does take its toll. It's quite fun but the UX does not keep up when the communion scales up, and it becomes a bit tedious.

Thanks to all players for this interesting game, with a shoutout to the players who stuck to it as long as it made sense. I had lots of fun.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2018, 07:05:09 am by Marmaduke »
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E. Albright

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #556 on: April 11, 2018, 07:55:17 am »

Here, have a thing: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c5c3064mqa39k0k/B12G428_Ermor.zip

I was probably really only ever allied with Bandar Log out of any nations (and them fairly late in the game), though I traded with almost everyone right up until they invaded me. I traded a bit with Oceania even after they invaded me, but that's more a reflection of how desperate I was for gems than any illusions on my part that I could trust them.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #557 on: April 11, 2018, 08:13:45 am »

Have the monkeys survived 'till the end?
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Akhier the Dragon hearted

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #558 on: April 11, 2018, 12:36:32 pm »

I just had sneaky priests hiding all over the place feeding me intel of most of the bottom of the map barring Oceania's place who I had been allied with from nearly the word go. Despite keeping my lands and expanding a bit this game was actually me learning what not to do when sieging. I realized a little to late this is actually one of the first games that I actually got that far in a fight. Generally up till now someone picks a fight with me and I hold them off as well as I can before dieing.
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« Reply #559 on: April 11, 2018, 12:39:25 pm »

Î return to my previous statement - for someone who never won a (big) battle on land, I did very well. I was friends with everyone, since there wasn't one of the usual overly aggressive players around.

Underwater movement on this map was hellish, my two frontlines are 10 turns apart, its a mess.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #560 on: April 18, 2018, 07:11:51 pm »

I must say - I never thought that my going AI would cause such consternation among all the nations of the world (it seems to be a reoccurring theme in after-action reports that my going AI caused all kinds of problems.) On reflection, I probably should have offered up the position to a substitute, although I maintain that my position was, on the whole, unsustainable (although that doesn't necessarily mean that having a human at the helm couldn't at least have done better.)

Major Dominions burnout on my part (enough that I still haven't picked up Dom 5) - apologies all!

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #561 on: April 18, 2018, 07:21:31 pm »

It isn't whether you could have maintained your position. Its the fact you don't just stack your troops all up and randomly attack the nations nearby. As a human we can negotiate and plan around how you act. NPC nations just do whatever they want.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #562 on: April 19, 2018, 03:35:53 am »

Dom5 coming out may have been part of this - dom5 lets you get more done in less time and just works better (realtime combat really removed the advantage of placing units right and looking up movement ranges and all that - thank god, for I was always to lazy for that stuff).
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« Reply #563 on: April 19, 2018, 10:55:13 am »

Dom5 also had a big impact on strategic stalemates. Getting rid of the dramatic defender's advantage under UGoIGo is a huge difference.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #564 on: April 19, 2018, 12:12:03 pm »

First strike still there, its just harder to take advantage. Especially when there is hold and attack rear as a low hanging fruit. First strike now is similar to rougelike where the troop that gets to move first after entering melee range will get to attack first. The defender advantage is still there, they still get to move a single frame faster then the attackers so if both sides was to try to immediately cast soul slay then the defender's would go off first.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #565 on: April 19, 2018, 05:02:43 pm »

True. And not just that. Look at this past turn's Deathmatch in 502; the Lemur Consul would have died a grim death had it had the misfortune to be picked as the attacker instead of the defender...
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #566 on: May 26, 2018, 05:47:11 am »

ya'll send me a dm if another pbem game ends up happening. I picked up this game on a lark a while ago and started putting serious time into it, i'd be interested if you guys were running another game.

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 28 - [Finished]
« Reply #567 on: May 26, 2018, 07:39:43 am »

It's either wrong thread or wrong game.  :P
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« Reply #568 on: May 26, 2018, 01:16:49 pm »

...or they picked this because this was the most recent Dom4 thread. In which case I'd recommend them not to hold their breath for a Dom4 B12 game, as B12's active players seem to have fairly consistently migrated to Dom5...
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« Reply #569 on: May 26, 2018, 03:11:28 pm »

well, shit
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