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Author Topic: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl  (Read 14003 times)

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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2018, 01:29:39 pm »

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I was super intrigued by it, but then discovered the head dev is a neo-Nazi and stuffed his game with his politics.

Finally, I am not the one calling him a neonazi, his twitter, which is nothing but neo nazi reposts and shares is calling him a neo nazi, and just like in “Are we the baddies”, us SJWs aren’t running his twitter account

You just called him a neo-nazi, and, unless he's wishing for the Fourth Reich, praising Hitler and espousing the values of National Socialism, he's not a neo-nazi, he's just right wing. As I'm sure you're aware, labels such as this have actual defined meanings, and neo-nazi has a very, very defined one. More than that, he's said the game specifically tackles the issues of Antisemitism, which I doubt it would do if he was a neo-nazi.

I've read the interviews with him, and none seem 'far right' unless your definition of that is 'not a great knowledge of history and a bit neckbeardy about SJWs'. There's been countless Roman themed games/films where the vast majority of the cast were white, even though that's not how it was at all. Similarly there are misrepresentations of women/minorities/everything in every medieval fiction since ever.

Middle and Eastern Europe tend to have a very white washed view of medieval times, and that definitely bleeds in (take The Witcher, STALKER, etc.). Whilst I wish he'd done more research (especially on a game that prides itself on accuracy), I don't think lack of historical accuracy = racism.

Finally, it's his game and story - if he doesn't want to have a female main character, that's just how it is. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation or reason behind it.
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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2018, 01:55:05 pm »

Yeah my faults with the game were all technical in nature. The story seemed solid. I wouldn't WANT to play a female in this time period. They were generally treated horribly, even those of high station. I enjoyed the combat as well, it had good elements of skill and interesting potential.
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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2018, 02:59:09 pm »

Looks like I just ran into my first gamebreaking bug.  Some guy told me to sit down so we could talk and I can't.  Like, there's no prompt for it.  Sadly just climbing onto the bench and squatting is apparently not sufficient either, although it did spark quite a few jokes from the NPCs.

Guess I'm waiting for patches.

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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2018, 08:29:24 pm »

Ah i had the same problem
simply reload and play the dice game again with him
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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2018, 01:39:52 am »

You guys forget that he is from a blacksmith family, tradesmen in ye old days were equivalent to middle class. His father served directly to the lord of the castle so he has more privileges than most folks. However thats only with his lord, any other and he should have gotten the shit beat out of him.

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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2018, 04:25:35 pm »

If you're talking about Nightingale I'm a bit past that Ghazkull.

Also, well, yes.  You'd think he'd know not to fuck with every other noble though.

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« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2018, 05:22:41 pm »

i...just did a 12ish hour binge of this game. holy shit.

thoughts:

the optimization and bugs are shit, indeed. patching shall be needed. bows and ai unreachable locations mean easy victories from what i've seen but i will be abstaining from trying to game it too much.

the combat is amazing if a bit harsh but then, you are an upjumped peasant. no years of training, just a few basics and you're off. the feeling of getting stronger and more skilled is palpable. but damn, when you go from barely putting down unarmored footpads to going 2-on-1 with a couple cumans and winning, you feel sooooo badass. in many ways, the tone of the combat reminds me of the stalker games. if you slip up, you can easily die.

the acting is a bit stilted but ehh, the story is just gripping enough that i want to continue but it has this air of, like, a good b movie. one of those you rent on a lark but end up enjoying. i still find it amazing that henry gets away with all the shit he does before he becomes a sworn man or squire to a noble. before then, he's just a middleclass nobody and yet he gets away with disobeying nobility.

the atmosphere and setting are spot on. i find myself thinking in real life on occasion: "oh its getting dark, i'll probably talk to the dude in the morning, i'll hit up the inn and grab a sausage, some bread and a beer. i'll hit up the smith and sharpen (repair) my blade in the morning."

the armor system is astounding, i believe at least 4 hours of my binge were of me sitting at the armorer and tailor to find the best combination of dress clothing and armor. i settled on a light layer of a dress shirt, a shortened hauberk, a leather jerkin and a red outer jacket. very protective but still allows fairly free movement and looks good.

it's...most definitely a b-game attempting to be AAA, made by a developing indie studio. this doesn't mean its bad but it does have ups and downs; some moments of amazing voice acting but then bad stilted voice acting (srsly sir radzig sounds like some dead inside middle manager), part times good writing (im thinking of a certain priest we met and have a friendly drink with) and part times pretty bad (how henry gets away with anything before aforementioned squiring is beyond me), all tied together by good atmosphere and combat.

ive heard the complaints about bugs (which will be fixed) and the saving system but because of my reallife takes on the game, i haven't had any issues with the saving. i consistently sleep at night to keep my energy up and i eat breakfast which lasts most of the day. the game autosaves everytime i wake up, so my saves are all mostly current.

all in all; a solid 8/10.

i neglected to take my screenies while i got absorbed. i'll probably playthrough this once and then work on it.

also, i don't know if its because ive been playing as a good guy in clean armor and committing no crimes, but my reputation in every town has soared. everyone says "hi henry!" and "god save ya, henry" and stuff and being raised in a tight knit suburban community where this kind of stuff was common, it adds to the game for me but i could see it easily becoming annoying for others.
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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2018, 07:05:18 pm »

Everyone saying Hi, Henry! and God save you Henry gets REALLY annoying after awhile. 

Also in regards to getting away with shit:
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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2018, 07:57:07 pm »

Well at least they (presumably) don't call you nicknames based on completely irrelevant things.

"So, a spellcaster eh? How 'bout you conjure me up a warm bed?"

"...I'm a stealth archer."

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Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance: make your own Cleganebowl
« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2018, 10:34:28 pm »

Really dislike the "We know you did it, even if we never saw you" aspects or how people in a village know instantly if I stole a horse 2 km away in a hovel, but otherwise a great game.

Some bugs, some issues, but its nice and hard.
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« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2018, 01:17:28 am »

Haven't run into people magically knowing I committed crimes issue myself actually, so far anytime I've been caught the dude has to actually scream out first and a guard hear it before I get tagged.  Is your noise/conspicousness really high cause there is some wonkyness with people hearing you committing crimes absurd distances away.

Also, the maintenance feat for padding armor is broken AF.  0 noise full plate... I am now stealth knight, wearing 100 pounds of metal and silent as a ghost.
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« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2018, 03:43:58 am »

Haven't run into people magically knowing I committed crimes issue myself actually, so far anytime I've been caught the dude has to actually scream out first and a guard hear it before I get tagged.  Is your noise/conspicousness really high cause there is some wonkyness with people hearing you committing crimes absurd distances away.


To practice my lockpicking, I robbed the bathhouse at Rattay. The proprietor caught and ran to fetch the guards, I caught up and knocked her out. Nobody bothered me at all when I made my escape through Rattay manor town immediately after. However on the way back (after the proprietor had time to wake up and alert the guards) they accosted me. So far the system actually seems to be working pretty well as far as I can tell, no crime-omniscience in my game so far.
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« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2018, 06:56:13 am »

This is why I kill all witneses....makes the fines go away if they don't get to the guards first
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« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2018, 07:33:08 am »

This is why I kill all witneses....makes the fines go away if they don't get to the guards first

Killing somebody over a couple of bandages seemed excessive. Also, I was hoping maybe they would have forgotten about me when I returned.
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« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2018, 09:17:23 am »

This is why I kill all witneses....makes the fines go away if they don't get to the guards first

Killing somebody over a couple of bandages seemed excessive. Also, I was hoping maybe they would have forgotten about me when I returned.

It is excessive...but it's true? I have only had to kill a witness 1 time in my game...because I made him uncouncious and he woke up and started fighting with me. Took the fine away and no one knew about the crime. As for them forgetting...nahhhh...I have knocked someone out on the road or whatever and a few days later I have a fine in some town for assaulting someone. My charisma is high enough though that I can dismiss my fines usually.
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